oops

Dave Hammer:

Sorry I wasn't more thurough. Originally I copyed and pasted all the information J.J. sent me. But Forge Magic thought it was spam, and blocked it. In a haste, I just mentioned blacksmithing u-tube.--------I haven't been on-line untill now. But thanks to Steve, you got the info.

Happy and a safe veterans day to all. Thanks for your service.

Veteran's Day

Have a happy and safe veteran's day all. God bless our veterans!! Buck

Dave Wells

No problem.... I knew someone would pipe up...

Thanks for bringing it to our attention...

Happy Vet's day all....

It's Memorial Day, not Veterans' Day.Veterans' Day is November 11, formerly known as Armistice Day. Today we can remember everyone who has gone on before, not just veterans.

That being said, thanks for your service.

Tom C

Right you are.... Tom

Memorial Day is a United States federal holiday observed on the last Monday of May (May 31 in 2010). Formerly known as Decoration Day, it commemorates U.S. soldiers who died while in the military service. First enacted to honor Union soldiers of the American Civil War (it is celebrated near the day of reunification after the Civil War), it was expanded after World War I to honor dead Americans from all wars.

Nathan

Bev
Nathan got here just fine
He has been behaving and hasnt threatened anyone yet.
We are back at the hotel after the first dahy of set up
A few problems this morning with tents we got throu OK
We have showered and thinking about were to eat.

BAD Roger in Tennessee at ABANA

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Hi BAD Roger!
Thanks for the update! I am glad that he is behaving. If he wasn't I would feel that I had failed as a mother. Please feel free to update me at any time. He did call me tonight but I suspect I won't hear from him again until he walks in the door. He will be having way too much fun with you and the rest of the gang!

Bev in the north woods of Minnesota

Tents

Hay where da tents at??...................... (big ole grin)

Hope you all have a grand day today setting up the conference. Drink lots of water and keep on smiling......... With that crew you all may just make up for lost time.

Wish I were there, I could get Nathan wound up proper!

Have fun all, JIM

Jim Fecteau

Are you really, really sure that you want to get Nathan wound up proper????
Bev

Howdy from Santiago Chile airport! It was a real treat to watch the sun come up over the Andes today---not looking too far down either even though we were at 33,000 feet.

I had a busy campout right before I left. Ran a bunch of kids through a forge project. Started with S hooks and then decided that forks made by twisting election sign wire was faster and easier as all the hammering was on the tines...I´d known about an example from the American revolutionary War, but right before I left I got some documentation on a twisted wire roman fork---in bronze but close enough to say they knew/used the basic technique.

Saturday I finally got some adults to play at the forge: two soldiers from Fort Bliss. They wanted to make large manly S hooks so I had them do a 1/2" and 3/8" stock S hooks and then one forged a fork from strap stock. I expect they will show up at Pep's sometime for more forging closer to El Paso.

Managed to get the back of my neck sunburned by wearing my medieval duds while packing up from camping, which has made if real fun carrying my two carry on´s by the shoulder straps.

Got a long layover, 8 hours, here. I'm getting real tired of airport-airline seats.

On to Calama by plane this afternoon and then by bus up to our site.

I still am planning on Quad-State this fall, practicing my Cruzan transport as I take a bottle to a friend down here.

Thomas

Bev

Not on me. (-:

JIM

its thurday

not even the Russians are posting

ABANA Confrc.

Wonder if all went well with the setup crew and weather all the venders, tailgate, demo tents, and galleries got set up without a hitch.

It's show time!!

I'm hard at it making stuff. Lots of work. I'm beating off the customers that want stuff yesterday instead of beating off the wolves wanting their money..... Life is good??
(-:
JIM

ABANA

Just talked to Nathan very, very briefly. They are busy doing the finishing set up. The demos begin in half an hour. The weather is hot and humid with rain in the forecast for today (It is cool enough up in the woods for a fire in the fire place today). Sorry I don't know any more Jim. Nathan was just too busy to chat.

Glad you are getting in lots of work.
Bev

Thanks for the update

Thanks Bev,
I new that crew would handle it. I may call Ralph and see if he has time to chat a bit this eve.

As soon as I posted this a.m. I got 2 calls from folk that are on my to do list.
Few........ Got one guy going to get stock for me so I can gain 2 hours.
Okay gota eat.
JIM

Jim Fecteau

I am betting that Ralph will have time to chat tonight! Everything should be set in place by then. Still difficult to believe that all of this will be done in a few days! Forgot to mention that Dave Hammer was by Nathan when I called.

That is great that one of your customers volunteered to get the stock for you. Time is so valuable!
Hope your day continues to go well.
Bev

Spammers, etc. Art Show

"Not even the Russians are posting." (Bill w)

You post that like it's a bad thing. I like the lack of clutter. :-D

Some of the "Hi there!" spammers seem to be just waiting for someone to click on their address so that they can capture yours. I guess that's what they're up to, anyway.

Since I was attending the Markland Medieval Mercenary Militia's 40th anniversary party (only 7 months late) at the BaltiCon science fiction convention last weekend, my friends and I entered some of our metalwork in the art show and auction. I actually broke even, plus a little (if you don't count the work required on the car's cooling system, which boiled over about 14 miles short of the con).

The wrought iron and blued steel dice sold well. Sales were generally slow across the board, however, and very little moved on the high end of things.

Maybe next year... Surviving stock is stowed for MarsCon in January.

A Post misc.

Chiping hammer.

Yesterday I was useing a chipping hammer during some stick welding. A present from one of the kids a couple years back. Not used that much, liked my old one better.------------The darn thing just snaped into. And I wasn't useing it very hard.---------So much for the imports.

Spammers:
This site is managed some. The other day I posted some imformation, and it was denied. Saying in as much words "This post looks like spam, if not notify site manager."

Misc.

I've been geting ready to do a tractor show, by my self (no help). Wouldn't you know it, the weather forcast has rain this week-end.--The good thing, its only 5 miles from home.

Sup i'm fresh here

What's Happening i am fresh here, I came accross this chat board I have found It incredibly accessible and its helped me tons. I hope to contribute and guide other people like its helped me.

Thank's, Catch You Around.

various

The spammers are back!

Yesterday I made a bending fork to fit the slightly less than 7/8" hardy hole of my anvil. I have several but I made this one entirely by traditional methods. No sawing or welding. Forged from 1" square bar, shank fitted, hot split etc.

The weather was hot and the club blacksmith shop near the forge hotter. I got overheated and had to quit just before I finished it. I drank lots of water and ran cold water on my head, then rested until the club meeting in the evening. I just have yet to tweak the tines to make them stand up straight.

Howdy i am fresh here

Hiya i'm new here, I hit upon this chat board I have found It quite accessible and it's helped me a lot. I hope to contribute and support other users like it has helped me.

Cheers, Catch You Around.

John Odom, be very careful my friend. This hot humid weather early in the year has not given us time to get hardened to the heat. I found myself on the edge last weekend. That was on Sunday. On Monday while in the shop I "Pre-hydrated" and then went thru 1.5 gallons of cool water, and did much better.

Pre-hydration

That is a good strategy, Jeff. I usually do it. I had a heat stroke in '86 and have been heat-sensitive ever since. I know better, but got careless.

Hi all

Hi everyone

Im a newbie here, although i have been watching on the sidelines for a little while.
Im a part time librarian, love baking and my wesie Daisy. I also am way too excited about Christmas for words!!
I cant wait to get on here some more and 'meet' lots of new people!

Keep smiling

Heya im new to this

Hiya i'm new to this, I came upon this message board I find It very helpful & it has helped me a lot. I should be able to contribute & assist other users like its helped me.

Cheers, Catch You Later

Aloha im fresh here

Hello i'm fresh to this, I came upon this website I have found It quite helpful & its helped me a great deal. I should be able to contribute & aid other people like it has helped me.

Thank You, See Ya Later

Various

It seem the spammers are back in force, in English!

Friday, the phone wouldn't work. I have Cable TV, Phone and internet all from Comcast. I called Comcast and they said the system was down in my neighborhood, and they would call me when service was restored. I worked at home all day and the phone didn't ring. When I got on the internet in the evening,there was a voice mail message from comcast that service had been restored about 2 pm from Comcast.

The phones still wouldn't work. The newer ones displayed the "Extension in Use" error message. I plugged one wireless phone into the modem directly and it worked. The next day, Saturday, is the Sabbath so I waited until after sunset and then bought a 100 foot extension cable and some phone connectors.

Today I started serious trouble shooting. I knew the problem was in the house wiring, since the phone worked when attached direct to the modem. To reach the phone wiring in our office took some major moving of desk and stuff. All of the wiring checked out OK except that circuit to which our supervised Alarm system was attached. I cut the hard-wired connection from the alarm panel to the phone circuit and all was OK. I cleaned up the now unused wiring that CenturyTel had left behind. I discovered that their ground wires were not actually attached to the nearby grounds! Their wiring was a mess! Most phone Company wiring is very well done. this was NOT!I'm glad their lines were not hit by lightning in that condition! Tomorrow I'll have to waste time with the alarm people!

At least we got the office mostly cleaned!

This evening we went to P.F. Chang's with friends and had good food and a good time.

Back from the ABANA conference

I had a great time at the ABANA conference. Lots of great demonstrators. I really liked the agenda. It was planned so everyone could see every demonstrator. Steve Parker, Dan Boone, Phil Cox, Brian Brazeal, Mark Asprey, A Big Blu Crew, Tom Latane, Pete Renzetti.... and others whose names escape me at this moment. It doesn't get much better than that.

It was hot.. but it was worth going. My little camper served me well. I bugged out a little early Saturday so I could get home last night (long drive).

Lots of friends were there... and I met a couple folks I have only known online. The Gallery was great. Lots of interesting ideas.

Cudo's to everyone who stepped up to plan and make the event happen. Well Done!

Dave Hammer

Thakns for the ABANA update. Glad to hear that you had a good time and that everything went well. Looking forwward to seeing you at Tipton which really isn't that far away.

Bev

ABANA 2010 Conference

The Abana Conference has come and gone. We did it, work hard and we had fun. Thanks to every one who attended and all the great help to put on the conference. Thanks To All.
Lance , still in Memphis!

ABANA Conference

I got back yesterday after a fun plane ride....so rough they would not serve drinks. Everyone stayed buckled up and held on. Down there and back was full of fun weather events while in the air. Made me start sizing up all on Board because I was a huge fan of "LOST", and I wanted to be prepared.

Lance and Daivd Hutchinson deserve all the credit for making the conference a success. Without their dedication and the efforts of the set up crew this thing would have been a pipe dream. Don't let anyone tell you guys different or take credit!!!

Bill Clemens deserves the credit for the gallery. He stepped up when help was needed and lead the gallery operations. He is running for the Board too so everyone vote for him! Along with Linda Tanner the treasurer for her work on the books to keep everything paid and right. Her and Lance are running again too. Cast your ballots that direction too! These 3 sticking around and Bill running puts ABANA in a great position to begin work on 2012 and keeping the same common sense approach for a conference!

It was great to see everyone there, and to meet some new faces too. I am in complete awe of the set up crew. Those guys' dedication tops anything I have ever seen.

Can't wait for Quad State to see you guys again!!!
Peyton

ABANA 2010

We had a great time in Memphis. I had to split my time between ABANA and our family vacation, so I never got to spend a full day there, but I did get to buy tools and books, see some demos and sit in on a great class on design and a presentation on collaborative efforts. I really liked the class and information exchange sessions since I'd never encountered that before. Mark Aspery and I did a session on metallurgy Friday night that was well attended. The auction saturday night started off kind of slow but things really picked up in the middle. The lock that Tom Latane and the Patient Order of Metalsmiths worked on during the conference sold for $21,000. The total auction revenue was a bit over $54,500. Hopefully that in conjuction with the registration fees was sufficient for this conference to end up in the black with a little seed money left for the next one. I really enjoyed myself, learned a lot and hope to get to the next conference.

Thanks to the demonstrators, set up crew, board members and other volunteers who made this event a success.

Patrick

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Report

Thanks for the report. I hope there are more, with pictures!

Peyton; on my plane trip to Chile it would have been more like "Alive" (ISBN: 9780380003211) Piers Paul Read,

Luckily it was a smooth flight as I forgot my Donner Party Cookbook....

Thomas

ABANA Conference

I posted a few pictures. Most of the ABANA setup crew were posters on this forum. Outstanding job!

ABANA Confrc.

Glad all went well with the conference!
Linda, Bill, and Lance running for the Board of Director... Great! David Hutchinson???????☺

".....Don't let anyone tell you guys different or take credit!!!"
Now who in their right mind would do that....... (dark humor) HA

The auction went well it seems. I hear from Ralph 960 attended and a fair amount came in from Iron In The Hat.

As I said before I wish I could have been there. Seems like it went vary well with only minor setbacks here and there. Great job all!

Welcome home everyone!
JIM

Dave Hammer

Thanks for posting the ABANA pictures. I almost didn't recognize Nathan--must be because of the bright green shirt he was wearing! I like it! And speaking of Nathan he should be home tonight around 9.
Bev

It's not pink!!

Bev,

BUT ALMOST AS BAD! I think Nathan looks better in greasy overalls and gray myself.☺

Dave thanks for the pictures,

Steve G actually fit on that forklift?

Looks like Steve Parker may have been a hot?
With your quick report and pictures I'd guess your trailer AC worked well?

Keane made it! Darn now I really wish I could have gone!
JIM

Jim Fecteau

Like I said, I almost didn't recognize him. I saw the name "Nathan R...." and thought???? and then went "It's him!" Ummm....perhaps this is the new Nathan??
I wonder what he will look like tonight after being in a vehicle all day?
Bev

Misc.

I survived the the tractor show. Usually IBA has the conference the same week-end, which prevents me from doing the tractor show. Saturday it rained 3 or 4 times, Sunday was nice. Didn't sell much but met some interesting people. One lady wants me to do a town hearitage festival and another lady wants me to do pioneer day at our local county fair.-------The tractor show was well advertised but not a good crowd. Must be the economy.

Today I helped the wife get things ready for a yard sell next week-end. I got to get ready for another 3 day tractor show our club is doing. Then I got to get ready for IBA conference, end of the month.

Sounds like the ABANA conference went well.

Jim Fecteau

The camper worked well. The AC was a life saver at the conference. The biggest problem with it I had was driving home... Every time I nodded off a bit and glanced in the rear view mirror... I thought there was a SEMI bearing down on me! Almost enough to keep me awake....

The funniest thing I saw at the conference was a Chevy van with the same sized AC unit fastened into the passenger seat window (see Gallery). My camper probably looked as silly.... but it was cool.

Tipton

Just over two weeks till we see Steve, Clifton and Kurt make a post vice on a genuine Chambersburg Steam Hammer.

New Dan Boone Book

In the picture that Dave H. posted showing Dan and Judy Boone, Judy is holding a copy of a new book featuring the Dan's iron work.

Here is a reprint of the book review from BGCM's most recent newsletter.

Title: Boone Wrought Iron: Products and Practices
Written by Don Plummer
Photographed by Nick Vincent
Edited by Judy Boone
Published by Plummer Design Works, Phoenixville, PA 2010
ISBN: 0-9709099-5-0
7-3/4” x 7-3/4”, soft cover; with 76 pages and well over 100 color photographs

Daniel Boone the 7th has traced his blacksmithing heritage back 15 generations to 16th century England. This book is a tribute to his (and Judy's) success as a full time professional blacksmith; this after having a long career as a welder.

The book includes a brief bio, pictures of his shop and craft fair booth and a discussion on how he approaches the business of selling ironwork. This is followed by 6 chapters featuring the different types of ironwork he makes and sells. Along with the pictures there are brief sidebars which speak to various technical aspects involved in making the piece.

This book is intended for 2 (often overlapping) audiences: first those of us who have come to know Dan and Judy Boone, who have attended their legendary “Pasture Parties” every February and who appreciate how much he has shared his knowledge of blacksmithing; secondly for any smith who would like to pursue a career as a full time professional blacksmith. This book is a blueprint of how to identify a niche clientèle and then produce the ironwork appropriate for that class of customers. The fact that Dan's devoted clientèle come back year after year to buy yet more ironwork from him, proves the validity of his business plan.

In the final analysis this book is about the pictures, highly detailed color pictures that display all of the fine points of Dan's work. By studying these pictures, you can see a continuity of style through all the different types of home hardware. When you see one of Dan's pieces you can almost always recognize it as his work. His style is his signature. And I am not just talking about his dragons, but also his leaves, the way he wraps the joints, dimples the screw holes, etc.

For a mere $19.95, this book would be a steal at twice the price.

To get a copy, contact: Nick Vincent, 410-848-7903
nick "at" nathansforge "dot" com

Boone's Book

Thanks for that, Albin. I'm going to order one ASAP.

Rich

3B Project

One of the ancillary projects (in addition to excavation and building), I'm working on an old military 10KW 3-Phase diesel generator. I bought it at auction earlier this spring to be a backup for my 3-phase rotary converter. The 3B has a 10 horse 3-phase motor that I hope I can run with a 15 HP rotary converter. I've been told that it may take a larger converter, so I wanted a backup position (not necessarily a larger converter, which brings additional issues to bear).

The generator didn't start (and obviously was bought as is), and although I'm fairly handy, I'm not a diesel mechanic. A neighbor stopped over one evening and asked if I might consider excavating his back yard with my Bobcat. Not necessarily for money, but maybe he could help me with something in trade. I do things all the time for my neighbors with no expectation of return so I said I would come see what he wanted. He wanted to level a large area so he could build his kids a playground. I told him I can help with that. I spent about six hours moving dirt around with my Bobcat, then leveling it with a small tractor and landscape rake. Guess what..... he is a mechanic, and understands diesel engines. Funny how things work out. We have been working on the generator a little at a time and found the high pressure pump was siezed up. We took it apart, found that I needed to replace two parts. One of which is a seal, the other part I could fabricate if I needed to. This generator is about thirty years old, so I didn't expect to be able to get parts. It was made by ONAN. Today I found the parts I need at a diesel repair shop. The shop also made it possible for me to print out parts and service manuals for the pump. Wonders never cease to amaze me.

Generator

One of the nice things about this generator is that I can tap single phase 240/120 off it also. We don't often loose power anymore, but when we do in the future, if it is a significant outage, I will be able to fully power my home with it.

Dave Hammer - You always amaze me :-)

Military Generators

Interesting on the old generator.-------------- Rumor told to me once, about those, was that they were DC. This guy told me he bought one and couldn't use it. ??? Guess thats how rumors get started. I think my grandsons hydraulic contraption, has a Onan engine.

Daves Generator

Dave, when in Germany, in the late 70's we ran our shop on 66 and 70 Kw gensets. They were loud but ran very well. We needed 60 Hz, but the german voltage was 50 Hz. Our test sets used the 60Hz as a clock rate and the 50 Hz varied plus or minus about 10% on freq.
Sounds like you got a nice deal.

DW old trail, may be the rumor came from Lincon gas engine welder sets. My old Sa-200 with a 4 cylinder Continetial, has a standard 110 volt receptacle on the control panel. 110Volts DC! The old universal motor hand tools like grinders and drills could run on 110 volt ac/dc.
I bought a 4" grinder from Sears and it is AC/DC and I use it with that welder away from home.

Generator

I won't know for a while if the pump is the only problem. I'm hopeful though. If Mike has time this weekend, we will get it back together for another run at starting it.

Lots of projects... Off to see the triplets and their big brother tomorrow.

ABANA

Back home from ABANA today. Stopped off in OK City on the way back and visited the Federal Building site and museum and the Cowboy Hall of Fame. Well worth the time spent at both. Dave Hammer, Steve Parker, Nathan, Roger, Peyton and John Larson, it was great getting to meet you guys there. Good friend Tommy Dean from Texas was there to. Steve Parker, great power hammer demo. What can I say, the conf was great. Ate my fill of Memphis barbeque to.

Check out our SWABA meet which will be at Chris Thompson's shop at Rowe, New Mexico this coming Saturday and Sunday. Demo's by Chris, Rob Gunter, Frank Turley, Pep Gomez and Tom Joyce will do a presentation.Details, cost ,directions etc are on SWABA's website at WWW.swabs.abana-chapter.org Open to the public and all are welcome. LXIV,

Alex Ivey

I need a "BEAM EM UP SCOTTY" machine. Or more specifically.... "BEAM EM OVER", so I can scratch my urge to attend more of these great conferences.

It was a treat to meet you also. I missed seeing Tommy Dean. I do think I met him at BAM a couple (or three) years ago though. I did meet Larry L... One of the MBWA posters (on Grant Sarver's new forum) with big machinery hunger.

Gotta get ready to head to Wilmington to play :-) ...... Later

OPPS... that should have been NWBA, not MBWA

3 phase generators

Dave,

I've have generated my 3 ph since 1989. The waste heat of genset heats my machine shop in the winter. The Power Company tried to call my bluff, but I wasn't bluffing. I long on stubborn and a bit short on talk. I have a Lima 20K generator on my German engine.

The later Tipton date has cause me a comflict. Lilly and I will try to be there Sunday. We will be 'tators.

I'm glad you all had a safe time in Memphis.

Bob Haverstock

Bob Haverstock

That would be a story I'd listen to Bob. These folk that think they got one on you need lessons now and again.

JIM

Sup im fresh to this

What's Happening i am fresh on here. I hit upon this forum I have found It incredibly useful and it's helped me alot. I should be able to give something back & guide others like it has helped me.

Cheers, See You Around.

Back from ABANA-Memphis. All went well, no traumatizing events, made some sales, saw many friends and made new ones. Happy to be back in the saddle again. I'm now backed up through September.

Hello i am fresh to this

Whats's Up i am new to this. I hit upon this website I have found It absolutely useful & it's helped me so much. I should be able to contribute & assist other users like it has helped me.

Thanks a load, See Ya About.

Dave;s Genset

Dave Hammer
I have the little brother in gas version of the genset, a MEP026 3kw. This was has brushless exciter alternator and then uses external full wave diode to get tot 28 volts dc. What is the frequency of your 10kw unit? I have seen both 50/60 cycle stuff and 400 cycle, which seems to be fairly common for airforce surplus.

Jeff Reinhardt
I would think that the 50 cps alternator could output 60 cps by changing the rpm.
I would suspect that the 50 cps alternator ran at 1500 rpm or in very large units 750 rpm. Raising the speed to 1800 rpm or what ever is proportionate would change the frequency and the voltage regulator shroud take care of the output voltage

Paul Sperbeck, the German 50 Hz was the line freq from their powerline grid. They were not going to change for us. Their generation system was somehow unable to control freq. On a standard belt drive turntable, playing a record, you could hear the speed changes. Their TV's used a different system than US sets. A US set could never seem to scan right.

Paul Sperbeck

Paul Sperbeck.... I have a manual for the MEP-003A, which I have, and it says it is 60 HTZ. This generator was sold to pretty much all the military branches. This is a brushless generator also. One step at at time to get it running.

Worked a bit on the 3B project today (taking a break now to go get STUFF... gotta have STUFF)

One of the posters on Grant's new forum spoke of working on a 3B (Larry L.) ... He's a little quicker than I though. He's got a real machine shop to work in. Anyway, he posted some pictures and information that helped me test the air cushion before I put the rest of the front of the hammer together. I did a little machining this morning (made a short die with a ring) so I could hang the ram upside down and slide it over the ram head (which acts as an internal ram guide and manages the air cushion. Everything works well... If he reads this forum (don't know), I'm probably driving him crazy with my slow pace of assembly. I am getting close though. I've posted several more pictures.

I do know one thing.... If I have to take all the parts out from the top after it's assembled, I will have that coupula so I can put a real rail winch up there.... It would be so much easier.

Dave Wells

I really like those letter openers.

See you at Tipton.

When Tesla developed polyphase electricty he used 6ocps because he like the number 3 & 60 is a multiple of 3. I agree with his logic.

Topm C

3B

Dave, it seems you have a winner there, you done good.
JIM

Camp Fenby DRAFT Activities 7/9 – 7/11

Camp Fenby is our laid-back medieval arts and crafts weekend, at which we teach, learn, putter about or just hang out.

Here are some of the activities that we're looking at on Friday through Sunday, July 9th through 11th, at Oakley Forge in St. Mary's County, Maryland. (And folks can camp out Thursday night, too!)

Bone, antler, horn work:

Basic bone work

Antler whistles (especially good for LSCo ship's officers)

Woodwork:

Wood turning basics and safety

Medieval chest construction (continued from previous sessions)

Mast step for ship (continued from previous sessions)

Fibre Arts:

TBD

TBD

Metalwork:

Small knife blades

40 pt. steel test

Case hardening tests (continued from previous session)

Basic arc welding and safety

Brass casting (continued from previous session)

Leather and Sheet Brass:

Sheath work for Hugh's new seax knife

Plus- Open forge, good advice, crab feast, songs of the crew, good company and good friends. Hiking, fishing, boating, barn repair, and other adventures are also possible for those with enthusiasm.

The Camp Fenby YahooGroups bulletin board and current discussions may be found at: AitchTeeTeaPea Colon Slash Slash groups Dot yahoo Dot com Slash group Slash CampFenby Slash.

My grandson's sidehack

We were blessed with our first geandchild last summer, Caleb. 'Ol gramps here decided that Grandson needed a bicycle. Not just any little bicycle, but one with a sidecar instead of training wheels. Not much smithing in the showing in the iron work. But, there, was some smithing in making sone of the hand tools to do the aluminum. This old dog is having to learn a few new tricks. I have a few more photos I could post, the thing we do for our grandkids.

Bob Haverstock

Bob Haverstock

That's terrific, Bob! I remember as a kid always wanting a motorcycle with t a sidecar. Took thirty years but I finally got one, too. I have to say though, I'd have been prouder to have one like that as a kid than I was of the old Indian years later. That's a real heirloom you made there.

Rich

Bob Haverstock... Nice job on the side car. He lii be proud that "Grandpa" made it just for him. Hope you make it to Tipton.

Bruce B. I just noticfedyoy candle holder in the gallery.... Interesting design.

Great sidecar!

A WHOLE lot better that training wheels!

ABANA Conference

I've been trying to get things back in order and catch up after the conference. Ralph Sproul and I got back to my place Tuesday night, he had to continue on to New Hampshire on Wednesday after we unloaded the job box and our tools from my truck in the morning. It sure was hot on the Ag Center pavement but it was a great venue for the event. Despite a pretty rocky start due to some contract and planning glitches it all got done in time for the crowds to enjoy it. If any of you guys know Pat McCarty congratulate him on a job well done as the boss of the setup crew- a great guy to work with who deserves a special mention. Thanks too to Lance and Dave who were also great to work with. I wish I had had more time to actually watch a few of the demos all the way through since we had some extraordinary people doing a great job. I had a great time with Shelly Thomas and her assistant John at the work tent, both had a great sense of humor and they were incredibley hard workers.

I did manage to get a few minutes of forging in though I hadn't brought a single forging tool with me and had to borrow what I needed to make a couple of big lifting staples for the nail tree. I got to use my own shop forge and the Say Mak hammer that Steve Parker was demoing on for those and then I found a little bit of time to make a spatula from a railroad spike for the guy who was cooking for us. I used John Larson's Iron Kiss hammer for most of that and a borrowed hammer for the hand work. The Iron Kiss is still a wonderful hammer and the control is terrific.

It was great to be there and to meet so many new folks as well as get a chance to put a face to names I've seen on the forums for years. I wish I had been able to have some longer converstions though- the whole time seemed pretty busy. Lots of fun overall. I hope all who attended went home satisfied. Steve G

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Jeff Reinhardt :

(Turntables) I bought and used a Sony turntable while overseas. When I returned home, the music didn't sound the same (slugish). Took to repair shop, and the guy finaly found the reason, and turned the drive wheel smaller.-----------Years later I found the original 60 cycle drive wheel adapter that came with it. I forgot that it came with too adapters.------Some of my recorded reel to reel tapes were the same. Listening to them my wife always complained.

Weather report (mid west)-------Hot Humid Rainy

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Got home Sunday night around 8.
Was good to be back home after a week at the conf.
Getting asked to demo for the conf was something I never even thought of.
I demoed three different times for three hours.
I will never forget this past week and all the new people I got to meet.
Met Bill Clemens for the first time. He worked his rear off on the gallery and the auction items.
He will have my vote for the board.
Also met Alex Ivey and got to yak a couple times with him.
I gotta get out west to some of those hammer-ins. Sounds like some good ones out that way.
I was also a member of the setup crew.
Getting to work once again with Ralph, Nathan, Steve G, Myron, Charlie and Dick was great. Having bosses to work for like Pat McCarty , Lance Davis and Dave Hutchison was great. These guys are the ones that kept things coming that we as the setup crew needed to get the job done.
There were others on the crew as well, They all worked hard making the conf happen.
Was my first time in Memphis. It gets plenty hot there that's for sure.
On my drive down I drove through the south east part of Arkansas.
Never been there either.
I thought it was pretty dang flat here where I live.
That area is like a pool table. Got to see lots of rice being grown.
Peyton, thanks for all the kind words.

I don't have any pictures to post as I did not have my camera.
The wife wanted to use it for a family get together while I was gone.

Steve

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Steve,
The set up crew did a great job even with the inconveniences that were encountered. Pat did a good job, but we knew he would. Thanks Pat!
David Hutchison and Linda Tanner were great to work with as well.
I want to say that Bill Clemens did a super job with the Gallery and Auction even after those minor inconveniences. Without his help and a few others we would not had a Gallery opening.
Thanks to all of you that made my and David's job as Chairmen of the 2010 Conference a lot easier.
The actual numbers for the conference have not been totaled but it looks like we had 934 attendees.

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I agree with Lance if Bill Clemens would not have taken over the gallery there would have been nothing to see. Every time I went near that area he was buisy doing the necessary paperwork or making sure things where where they should be or ??. I dont think he saw any of the conference.
The set up crew were kept buisy but at least we had time to see a demo or visit or hit the tail gate area or ??.
Had a great time and am ready for 2012.
Wasnt used to being in Memphis as every where including the discount grocery had an armed gaurd. Of course I was armed too but much differrent than rural MN.

I started converting the conference video I shot along with the Brian Brazeal footage from the Miss conference to DVD
Hope to have it done in time to go to see Clifton and Parker in Indiana
Not sure I will get it all done as I have some of Clifton's home movies to do and Bob Patrick at Haverhill and Parker at New Eangland and ??

BAD Roger in MN

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I've just about finished my latest commission, a mirror frame. It's made from 2 1/2" channel that I curved the hard way with my forge & a bending fixture. The Dean of the School of the Arts at VCU is the future owner.

Yesterday Louise & I spent a day working on our cottage in Westmoreland Co. I'm finally done working on the roof structure & can begin fixing the windows. It was mighty hot & humid so things progressed in slow motion with lots of water breaks.

Tom C

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3B progress.....

I put the compressor and ram cylinder heads on the 3B over the weekend. I used a makeshift lift to get them up over the hammer frame. There was not enough room to put a rail and use a proper winch to lift those.

I'll put up a temporary rail and use a overhead winch to put the ram and ram guide in. The ram will go in from the bottom (there is room without the sow block in place). I have to make jigs and support systems to get the ram and guide in where they belong. Then the sow block. I still have to modify a set of dies, but that will be later.

Putting all this together would be a simple task if I had a large overhead clearance shop with an overhead rolling winch. Doing it under a canopy with about two feet of clearance over the hammer is a little more challenging.

First.... I still need to cut and fit the leather seals for the ram guide.

Still taking baby steps... and am not in any hurry...

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Just posted a picture taken in the Choo Choo Forge shop

John Odom

You looked pretty determined in that photo. Did you finish your project?

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Seems the UK is here ................ Let me know when it stops I'll be over at farwestforge

Have fun

JIM

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Not yet, I have a lot of grinding to do. It will be a punch/drift for hammer making.I started with an axle shaft.

spammers

They're visual noise, like TV ads; just scroll past them to the real stuff.

I install my mirror today at 5:00.Louise likes it. I'll post a pic.

Tom C

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Dave Hammer:

"Still taking baby steps... and am not in any hurry"------------------------Remember "Haste makes Waste." -------------- A friend of mine, has a 100# hammer under a sloped metal roof. Built the shop before he got the hammer. I think he has about 2 inches of clearence. Had a heck of a time positioning the hammer.

Keep up the good work.

Tom C:

I'm like you about the spamers. Just a pest that is annoying. If I couldn't deal with mosquitoes, I wouldn't go outside.

Misc.
Another three day tractor show this week end. Hope its not raining as forcasted.----We've had storms and flash flooding here. its been hard geting hay cut bailed.

Life is good if you don't weak-en

Tipton

Yes! A week from tomorrow we start out for Tipton!!! Can you tell that I am excited!!!!
Bev

Tipton

See you in Tipton Bev!!

Steve

Steve Parker

Looking forward to it Steve!
Bev

Tipton

We normaly have a pitch in dinner cooked over a fire on Saturday evening. I usually bring a bunch of bratwurst, and some chips. if you would care to join in, you would be most welcome.

Put up a pic of my latest creation in the gallery.

We're going to be taking a trip to Manchester NH in early August to get some material for Louise's creations & for a little vacation. Ralph S., I think we'll be near your part of the world so look out, you might get some visitors.
We're also going to check out the American Precision Museum in Windsor VT.

Tom C

Tom C... Nice work. Your work always has a graceful balance to it.

No forging or 3B project work this week (at least not yet). Monday, I went down into central VA to pick up something I bought off eBay. It included a M105-A2 Military trailer. After studying it a bit (a lot... actually), I decided it was a bit much for my pickup. I decided to sell it (or buy the duce and a half the guy also had)..... I decided against the duce and a half (probably not compatible with my neighborhood, although I haven't let that stop me concerning a few other things). Looked at it some more...., then modified it a bit to be more suitable for my use.
Anyway, I posted a couple pictures, with a little more explanation of the changes I made to it.

Dave Hammer. Those military trailers are indeed heavy duty. Also great for hauling equipment as they have tons of tie dow points. If you search you may find a set of the bows and the canvass cover.
The paint on those used to be a wierd semi water based low IR emissions paint. If you intend to repaint and want it to look nice, plan on lots of power sanding or sandblasting as that stuff is glumpy on purpose.
I have seen several cut down like that around here.
If you plan to haul heavy stuff the dual axles with brakes will be real nice and may save your life.
I find that I can get the House trailer size tires in the Carlisle tire brand for about $85 each mounted around here. Much better tires than OEM.

Tom C - Cool piecs of work.

Dave Hammer - You got way too much ambition .....

Jeff R.

Actually, I got 4 bows (it has spaces for five) with it. Personally, I don't expect to use the high_sides or top..... My son may though, he takes a lot of stuff with him to some of the outings he goes to.

This would make a great tailgating trailer (but then, now I'm pulling that camper around)...

Gallery Stuff

I finally took a few minutes to look at some of the recent pics. Nice bike Bob Haverstock; going to do one for each grandchild? (grin). Tom the mirror looks great- as expected from you of course. John Odom, It looks like your having fun at that hammer. I hope the drift turns out like you want it to. Dave Hammer, what can I say but that you are a madman (grin). John's right- You've got waaay too much ambition.

Did a bunch of too long postponed shop projects this morning and then got to some forging after lunch. I had to make a sample for some wall sconces that have a slit and drift 1" hole detail in 1" square bar and an upset end just below the lampholder and shade. It was a nice fun way to spend some time while one of the steel salesmen was talking away. He did say he may have some random H13 bar ends at a real good price so I did pay attention to that part. I'll make some more samples for the lighting job tomorrow. Steve G

Dave Hammer, put the camper IN the tailgate trailer and have a two-fer

I have been scemeing a hammer-in/demo rig ever since I finished the $42 demo trailer I now use. My plan? Find a S-10 or Ranger, manual tranny, and the small V-6. Pull the bed and make a small flat bed with gooseneck ball under the bed, covered with a door. Then build an extreme light weight gooseneck trailer/toyhauler. Sparten bedroom over the hitch, box area about 8' long, and tip out and swing out demo equipment to include forge.
I of course being a very poor man who is sending 4 children to college next year, have been searching for just the right truck. The just the right truck will probably have a damaged bed from a tree or something.
More dream/scheme than action I expect for short term. But then one can never tell when the right deal falls into ones path.
I have made perhaps 200 design drawings, make that napkin sketches. I think a truss for the main frame beams, and rol formed frame members for the rest. I have collected a fair number of used pallet rack components and they would be trick.

Tipton Conference

Bev
Deb and I will also be leaving thursday for IN conference.
May try to stop at Keane's also then try to find a hotel near there continuing to the conference friday.

Jeff
Would we also be welcome to the fire?
If so what would you like contributed to the pot

I have the ABANA DVD edited and 6 hours of the 11 I shot of Brian Brazeal in MS done. One of the VHS tapes Clifton gave me doesnt like my machine so I need to try another. I did get 3 of the 4 transfered but need to edit them and unless things go badly will have them done and along to IN. Neighboring Officer and part time deputy shot shimself yesterday which will mess up a couple of my next few days. I should be editing instead of typing so back to work I go. BYE

BAD Roger in Minnesota

781

781... If you are bringing DVDs of Brian, please save me one. See you Friday at Tipton.

I believe my son will be coming with me, so I won't be camping.

Jeff.... Patience pays off....

Bits and Pieces

Jeff--The dinner by fire sounds like fun. What can I bring or can i contribute $ to the food kitty. Looking forward to meeting you and many others soon!

781---We should be arriving at Keane's sometime on Thursday afternoon late. (I think). Things are not as crazy here as they are for you although I am dealing with an ill mother-in-law who lives in my backyard plus I am making a quick trip to Spicer on Monday and Tuesday (totally silly--I forgot how close Tuesday is to Thursday).

Looking forward to seeing everyone at Tipton!!!
Bev

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Dave Hammer:

E-mail your way. Don't know if you got this information, but its about the Friday night demonstrator.

The Saturday night fire/dinner is a low key, bring a chair, something to cook on a grill over a wood fire and perhaps something like salad, fruit or veggies to munch cold. I and a family from Niles Michigan have been doing the fire/dinner for a few years. They bring a fire pit and the grill, I bring brats, and some hot dogs. So... All are welcome, even you bad Roger:)
Bring something, anything that would be tasty. We do have electric available. This is a mostly finger foods type affair, but who knows, we may expand to higher levels. There tends to be some nice young ones, some as young as 6 or 8 years. Last year the grill itself was somehow missing, so after the days demo's, we rustled some steel, barged into a demo set-up and use the mig and just made one:)
Look for the full size Ford Conversion van in red and silver in the campground.

Suggestions for additions to the dinner? Baked beans, chips, a loaf of good bread, soda's or what ever.
The more the merrier.
I am really ready, as work has been tuff for a while and I need some real relaxation and blacksmithing imersion to recover.

Dave Wells

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You are so nice to share these with us.

Thanks for the writing this! I¡¯m new at this game so am trying to catch up.

IBA

I am heading up to Clifton's early in the morning for one more practise session before the IBA conf.
I sure hope it's a bit cooler tomorrow. Been a real scorcher here this week.

Roger, save me copies of what you have been working on please.
I hope the tape machine does not eat the last Clifton tape.

Sure glad you got them and have them transferred to DVD for safe keeping.

Steve

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Happy Father's Day Everyone...

And the same to you Dave. Father's day feels a lot different when there are no little ones in the house.

Jeff R.

That is true Jeff, but be patient... There will, again, be little ones in the house (at least visiting).

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Misc.

We set up for the tractor show on Friday. Hot and muggy. Stormed Friday night and almost tore our tent apart. Had a few bent poles.Didn't even lite a forge on Friday.. Had to stand and forge in water saturday. I did remember the rubber shoe covers I bought at SOFA one year, and stuck them in the back of my truck seat. This helped keeping my shoes and socks dry. Saturday was a little better, with lots more people.-We did get a couple new members to join our club.

The garden tractor folks was there also. Cliftons two sons was there with there Wheel Horses. Talking to one of the sons, he mentioned how focused Clifton is on this demo, wanting everything worked out in detail, and to have a smooth demonstration. Steve, Kurt, and Clifton wants this to be a real good demonstration, and have been working there buts off.---------This may be Cliftons last demonstration according to his son. ----But Clifton has said this before.-grin-

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Lilly & I look forward to seeing you at Tipton.

Bob

Spent last evening fabbing up a tent style fly for the big van so I can have the van shaded at Tipton. Always wanted a way to shade the sun from that big greenhouse on wheels and since Tipton will be very warm this year... It is predicted to cool off nicely at night.

Jeff

Good idea on the rain/shade fly for the van. Makes a HUGE difference, I can tell you. I had a *very* crude one for my old Chevy van I traveled in and it was a lifesaver in places with no shade or times when it was raining so badly I couldn't open the roof vents without taking on water. The mistake I made on mine was in not making it large enough to provide a "porch" area, but I was being cheap and sleazy (no surprise, huh?) and getting by with a surplus tarp, EMT and parachute cord. I'm sure yours will be significantly better and you're gong to be really glad you did it.

Rich

Rich, Perhaps you expect too much of me:) Mine is a harbor freight aluminized tarp, emt and 1/4" poly rope. I did get a big enough tarp to cover the far windons to the slider vents, and make a 6' or so porch on the entrance side. The roof on my raised roof van is red and grey, and no roof vents. I figure to shade with the tarp porch on the entrance side. I also mounted a 9" fan in a plywood bulkhead that will go in the front window under the tarp, and plan to vent the interior 24 hours. Tipton's campground is very open with little to no shade.

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Weeders and Camping

Hey Jeff, This weekend I finally had Marcia try using the weeding tool you sent me. It gets her seal of approval! The size fits her hands a little better than it does my mitts. Thanks again; nice job as always.

Does the camping area at Tipton have electrical power available? Or are you planning to run the fan on DC from the van. A fly for the van is a great idea. Steve G

1880's wrought iron

I just bought 2100 pounds of 1887 bridge tension members: 7/8", 1", 1-1/4" square, and 1"round, 14-20 feet long. I am expecting a copy of the material technical analysis and can provide it to any buyers. I am located in SE Pennsylvania. Any interest?

Steve, the campground has electric and water, and is a real type campground. I bought a $13 fan new and that is what I will run on the 110VAC as well as a small solid state cooler that has a 110 coverter. Those cold junction coolers will drag a battery down pretty quick.
I have almost $50 in the fly and fan, and will report how it works after.
The conversion van has very small screened windows, and no upper vent.

Weeder

And Steve, I am glad the weeder works. Nothing like good R&D to back up a design. It is always best to have at one person besides the designer to test just to make sure those pesky trees are not getting in the way:)

Ben James - Are you going to Ohio in Sept.? Could proably sell some out there.
How much you asking per pound ?

Wrought Iron: are you getting every piece tested or just assuming that it will all be the same if you test a piece or two? (which can be a bad assumption at times!)

If you have it at Quad-State this fall and it's a reasonable price I'll buy some; I always seem to buy some bridge from the other fellow that sells at Q-S the last 15-20 years...I can't transport 14-20' lengths though.

My daughter came down Saturday with my first Grandson to buy me a dinner for Father's Day---I made them move over so I could sit by him and then ordered french fries so he could steal them off my plate---he's about 17 months old...he liked the mixed vegetables too. She keeps refusing my offer of a 4oz stanley ballpein for him---I know he can swing it!

Thomas

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John Fe - Tue 22 Jun 2010 20:39:15 #0

Took a load of scrap metal to the scrap yard yesterday and got $111.00.
But then I spied a Apex ,16" disc sander , 3 phase 208-230-460 volt , 1 HP, model 16-8 that weighed 261 lbs. He wanted 50¢/lb but he likes me and sold it to me for $100. (I got his hoppers in the plant I retired from)hehe
When I get time I'll clean it up and wait till some eletric type dude comes by to wire it up to my phase converter. And DON'T tell me I can do it my self, "it's easy" , "any one can do it". Cause I don't under stand it and won't take the chance of smokin a motor that I don't even know if it any good yet.
I can wire a house (and have a couple) but I ain't got a clue what an amp or volt or watt or any of that shit is and I don't intend to start now.hehehee
So I was checking Apex sandes on line and found some for sale from $750 to over $1,000, so if this ends up working ok I think I made out okay :-)
Was just thinking, my 2" X 72" belt sander eats my fingers pretty good now ,can't imagian what this thing will do to me !!!! Just call me stubby. Oh wait some grils already do..

John Fe

Good find John... It will be a great addition to your shop. It will also do a job on your fingers, knuckles (I ground part of one of mine off a couple weeks ago... still healing), arms and elbows (don't ask).

Email off to you soon.

Disk Sander

Very useful in the shop. I couldn't do without mine. 16" is a good size.

John Fe

Be sure that sander is bolted down before you turn it on. If not, it may be chasing you around your shop... Film at 11 on that one :-)

Disk sander

As long as nothing is bent on that sander it should just sit there quietly running. Apex is a good pattern shop brand brand. None of the pattern shops I have worked in have bolted the disk sanders down. My 30" and double sided 24" sanders are both just sitting on the floor. I know a guy with a 40" sander that is not bolted down. I would hit start and then shut it off immediately bring it up to speed gradually, to make sure nothing is bent or out of balance but if it is bent bolting down probably won't help. Put 36 grit zirconia on it and it will be really good for doing your nails on John.

John Fe

It'll just sit there quietly running..... waiting for you to turn away.... then........

Gotcha!

Tipton

Nathan and I will be leaving Minnesota tomorrow morning and working our way to Tipton. Not sure when we will arrive--Friday afternoon or evening? Looking forward to seeing old friends and meeting new ones!
Bev

Bev

See you there!

The predicted weather for Tipton shows the lows to be in the high 60s low 70s with daytime highs at 85F or so. looks to be storm free at this point.

Jeff Reinhardt

Thanks for the weather update! Sounds like the perfect weekend--especially if it is storm free!
Bev

Jeff Reinhardt

Thanks for the weather update! Sounds like the perfect weekend--especially if it is storm free!
Bev

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Now I know what happens if you click twice! lol!!!

Jeff R.

That forecast is better than what they are projecting for where I live. It's supposed to push close to 100 tomorrow and only cool down a bit through the weekend.

Looking forward to seeing many of you Friday evening.

Dave Hammer, Better than the forecast in very Southern Indiana as well. As long as it drops in the evening we can run the whole house fan and cool this super insulated passive solar house. In the last 4 years we have maybe run the tiny .5 ton air con unit about 25 hours total. And that colled the entire house:) Of course the fact that the Rock is happist at about 78F+...

When you get to tipton, see me, I have a can of special stuff that may help in old machine resurection, My gift.

The Rock picked up a big package of brats today. I am ever so ready for some time away from work. This is my second day of vacation so far this year.

Jeff

Your vacation schedule sounds like ours although I just did have two days earlier this week. Vacation day three starts tomorrow as soon as we drop Chance off at the kennel. I have ginger cookies, second hand pickles, and chips. I am assuming that there is a grocery store near by where I could pick up something for the gill.

Safe traveling. See you sometime on Friday!
Bev

The temperature's supposed to drop here tonight -- all the way to 80 degrees. And I'm not far from Dave H. I'm a little doubtful about the forecast on the National Weather Service site, though. I click on the next grid square west of mine (maybe 5 miles or so) and it shows a low of 74. That is 5 miles further from the city, but still. . .

Weather Report

Jeff, that sounds like some much nicer weather than we have had here in central Illinois.
Been so dang hot and muggy. I am wondering if it will ever quit raining here.
Seems to rain just about everyday for the last three weeks.
Been hard staying ahead of the grass. Lots of water standing in the fields and ditches.
Raining here again tonight.

Bev, I hope you and Nathan have a safe trip. Will see you on friday when you get there.

Steve

Steve Parker

It sounds like we are escaping the rain this weekend by heading to Indiana. I don't think we have had as much as you have had although Nathan has been busy with the lawn mowing.

See you Friday---hopefully early afternoon????
Bev

Could you help me in my question....

How I can write PM to other users? Thanx

Tipton weather forecast

Friday 86F hi and 65Lo partly cloudy
Saturday 90F hi and 71 low 20% chance of showers and thundershowers
Sunday 91 hi and 50% chance of showers and thundershowers

What is this "rain" you speak of? "Water falling from the sky" please! Someone is trying to pull the wool over your eyes!

Actually the "monsoon" season should start here soon---random thunderstorms delivering most of our moisture for the year; don't know if we will make out 9" total this year and I'm sweating 4th of July as many of our neighbors do not take proper precautions with fireworks---not so bad if they would point them at their own house; but I'll be off camping and so not to hand with the hose!

I'm trying to talk my wife into a metal roof, that and stucco walls make a fairly good shell to prevent fires from spreading from the desert to the house.

Enjoy Tipton Everyone!

Thomas

Old knife

Probably the wrong forum, but everything else I have found requires registration, etc. to make a post.

The Coloma blacksmith shop has an old folding knife hanging on the wall. Pretty bad condition, but we used it to open coal bags and cut string.

It is a Western, 062, w wooden scales and everything except the blades made of brass.

We're thinking of renovating it for the fun of it, but a web search indicated some of these things are going for $hundreds!

Anyone have an idea of what we've got here?

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Old knife

Rudy you do no need our help.Just keep sniffing down the path you started.You got a head start on all the google heads here. run Rudy Run

Rudy

That sounds like one of the early knives made by the Western Cutlery Company of Boulder, Colorado. Western was a going concern when I was a kid and the family that owned it, the Platts family, were friends of ours. When I left Boulder thirty or so years ago, Reginald Platts was running Western Cutlery. His father, Harlow Platts was recently retired from Western, but still the CEO, I recall. He and his wife Henrietta were the ones closest to our family and every year Harlow would give each of us kids a pocket knife for Christmas - I have a dozen or more in a drawer to this day. It was Harlow's father who started Western Cutlery, as I recall him say. They also made scissors and hatchets and were the makers of the "official" Boy Scout sheath knife back then.

When I was in junior high and high school I used to go to the Western plant and scrounge scraps from their trash pile, bring them home and grind knives out of them. I didn't know anything about heat treating, so they were not that great. But I had fun making them anyway.

Some of the Western knives have become collector's pieces, of course. When I was a kid none of their knives had wood handles so I'd guess the one you have is older than I am and may well be a collector's piece. The only wood handles I recall from back then were on a couple of their sheath knives that were aimed at the higher-end market. I had one of them but it went by the wayside somewhere over the past thirty years. It's a shame too, since that one was a prototype for the custom series and would be worth a few hundred bucks now. Figures that I'd lose the one valuable one. :-)

Well, there's a little background on Western knives. Dunno of it does youi any good, but there it is.

Keep on checking on Google and also look at Ebay - they sell a few collectible knives there.

Rich

Thomas

Some metal roofs qualify for a $1,500 federal tax credit.....if that helps any.

Trouver une bonne mutuelle ?

Bonjour,

Je suis à la recherche d'une mutuelle, cela fait quelques temps que j'en ait plus et je suis degoutter à chaque fois
que je passe des examens par les prix.

Avez vous des bonnes adresses ?

knife

RUDY-- Is it a two bladed folding hunter from Western? If it is, its probably a late 70 or early 80 knife.
The wooden slab handles throws me. They should be what they call Delrin--kinda like stained bone looking.

If the wooden handles are original equipment it is a hell of a lot older than 30+ years. I have never see a wooden handled Western folder. Course there is a lot I have not seen.Grin.

Chuck/Rudy

I have seen a Western folder with wood scales - it was in a display case at Western Cutlery's plant when I was a kid - makes it about forty-five to fifty years ago. I've never seen one that was "in production" at any time, though. I'm probably just too young. :-)

I seem to recall that Pop had a 2-blade folder with dark wood scales, but I don't know if it was a Western or something else. I'd guess it was not a Western as I believe it was handed down to him by his father back in Arkansas.

Rich

weatern cut.

Three days ago I delivered a recondition job back to its owner.

Dr. John Cunningham was a practicing Doc here for about 55 or 60 years then quit and drank Scotch and lied about about how good his kids and Grandkids could play golf. Did not have to fib much. They could flat play golf.

Dr. John was real well thought of and raised his kids the same. He had three boys and one girl that I can think of . They all hunted deer, birds and fished for trout.
After John passed and they were going through his stuff. They came upon a combo Flat/thin headed hatchet and a nice made skinning knife both in the same sheath. The were originally dolled up with leather and aluminum handles. They had been put away with blood on the hatchet and knife. The blood planned hell with the leather sheath and rusted the hatchet terrible and the knife quite abit.

Had to re sand the hatchet and buff it back to a mirror polish, not all the pits came out. The knife was not so bad. The leather in the handles came back pretty well. I re stabilized them and they shone like new.
They are in the fourth generation hands and will not be used but kept for a keepsake from Dr. John.

They were Western Cutlery, Boulder, Colo.

They argued over where to send them for the work over. I felt nice thinking they would bring them to me, So the sheath is a little fancy with lace braiding and tooling. No I did not put my name on it anywhere. Another twenty years and my name will not even raise an eyebrow,Grin.

chuck

Any pics from Tipton yet?

I arrived home safe from Tipton. No photo's by me. Had strep throat night before I left and got a hip load of anti-biotics to knock it down. Still felt weak and punky for most of Tipton. Big crowd.

Tipton

Richard (my son) and I got home this morning from the IBA Tipton conference. What a great gift he gave me by joining me on this trip. I posted a few pictures... I wish I had taken more... Lots of friends were there. It was a great conference.

I confess I spent almost all my time spellbound watching Steve Parker, Kurt Fehrenbach and Clifton Ralph work on the post vise. They had the main portions of the two sides finished by late Saturday afternoon. They demonstrated one way a screw could be made (didn't get pictures of that) on Sunday morning.

It was great to see Nathan's mom, as well as dozens of other very special friends to numerous to list (just a few in the pictures). Bob and Lilly Haverstock came Sunday morning and we had a first hand look at the heirloom bicycle he is making for his first grandchild (he posted a picture a couple weeks back).

I picked up a little at tailgating and the auction... some "stuff" (gotta have stuff), for me and some for friends back home.

I think Richard may be more hooked on all this after the trip... Even though he is already very busy with his family and career, I'm looking forwary to him participating more in the future.... He was wondering how large a shop he could fit in his back yard...

Good times... special friends. If you weren't there, you missed a good one.

Pictures

Thanks Dave.
Looks like it may have been a bit warm? See I missed a good one.... Drats!
JIM

Jim Fecteau, you did indeed miss a good one, and yes somewhat hot. Not as bad as the week before. I was one of two first aid folks on site, and no heat related calls. In fact no calls at all:) I like it that way.

Tipton is always a low key, extremely friendly, very reasonably priced conference. The crowds were the biggest I have seen yet this year, but everyone could get a good seat to observe the demo of their choice. All of the beginners got in as much training time as desired. And the shower rooms were so clean that I heard a number of first timers comment about how pleasant a surprise that was.

If possible, I will not miss a Tipton conference until I can no longer travel at all.

I heard good things about next years demonstraters as well.

Jim Fecteau

As Jeff said... It was hot. Not as hot as Memphis (I don't think), but nearly...

Plan to go to Quad States if you can... It's usually fairly nice (sometimes a bit damp though).

Tipton 2010

I just added four more to the pictures from Tipton for you other hammer addicts. What a great demo to be at! I don't know when any of us will se the like. Having three such talented craftsmen working together in perfect harmony (grin!) at a hammer actually running on steam was awesome. Having practiced and worked out their process beforehand they actually did work together well even if there was the occasional little "discussion" as they went. It was fascinating seeing the difference in the way a hammer behaves with steam versus air or a mechanical drive. It would be great to have the opportunity to forge under one or to run one to fully appreciate the difference. Just watching was great though. I think we all owe Larry Marek the hammer owner a big "Thank You" for making it possible. He only brings the hammer and boiler out a very few times and it's a big undertaking to do it. Without his generosity Clifton, Kurt, and Steve could not have put on the great show they did. And it was a great show. Roger Degner took lots of video so hopefully those who couldn't be there will get to see it that way. Thanks to all who worked so hard to make it happen.

It was long drive for me to get there but it was surely worth it. It was great to see old friends and to meet some new ones too. I got a chance to chat with Dave Wells a liitle which was god and I also got to meet Bob and Lilly Haverstock on Sunday. Bob had some really nice small sandbags he'd made which were left over from another show that he'd been to earlier and I couldn't help but purchase on from him. It was neat to see the grandson's bike in reality too. I got back to the shop about noon today after a few hours rest last night. The camping at Tipton was really good and sure made me appreciate having the little camper. I was set up next to Jeff Reinhardt in his "ghetto van".

Richard's shop size

Dave Shop size is pretty easy to figure out. Say the back yard is 60ft by 100ft and you need a 5ft back set to the property lines and house. So it kind of works like this (50ft -5ft-5ft = 40ft) and (100ft -5ft -5ft = 90ft) Therefore shop size is 40ft x 90ft = 3600 sq ft. grin

Thanks for the pictures, a bit of talent forging a vise like that.

Daryl

I like the way you think...

Tipton

The Tipton dates for next year are already marked on my calendar. It was a great vacation for me and a wonderful opportunity to connect with old friends and meet some new ones. Thank you Indiana blacksmiths for hosting a great conference.

Nathan and I arrived home about 6:45 this evening. I am slowly unpacking while Nathan is next door trying to figure out why his grandmother's oxygen tank is not working properly!

Again good to see all of you!
Bev

Tipton

Man, I wish I'd been able to be at that one!

I can't imagine how anyone who knows Clifton could think that there might be any "discussion" when Clifton and Parker were forging. Cliff is such a shy and demure guy, after all. Parker, too. (grin)

Thanks for the pictures Dave and Steve! I wonder if maybe Sparky got a new server or something - the photo gallery was lightning fast for me tonight. That was really great. My thanks to Sparky!

Rich

Photo Gallery

Hey the Photo Gallery Is fast Thanks, Sparky!

I once had the chance to get a 300 lb Chambersburg "free." I passed. No place to store it, and no money to get it going. I hope it wasn't scrapped. In the early '70 there wasn't much demand for steam hammers.

Man, Tipton looked like it was a lot of fun! Too bad it's outside my normal sphere of travel. I'd have loved to see the steam hammer run. A friend of mine recently acquired a 750lb Chambersburg similar to that one and is planning on running it with air. I'm looking forward to his announcing when it comes to life so I can go play with it. (grin!)

Lots of good pics in the gallery, and it's fast for me too. Thanks, Sparky!

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Thx for Tipton Pix

Great pix from Tipton, looking forward to the DVD. Great job on the post vise! Gallery was fast for me as well.

thin knives

Made two castrating blades today. Thin-thin-thin.
What they amount to is a straight edged razor with a stiff handle.

The final grind is a little tough because of the bluing of the blade if you are just a tad too long on the wheel.
If you black a blade you toss it. It is too thin to re-heat treat. Fine grit belts will burn a blade.

Finished up some leather working knives. I have been using Gorilla glue. Anybody else doing this?

chuck

Chuck, I've used Gorilla Glue a couple of times. It works really well, but the cleanup can be a pain if you over-apply it. I finally quit using it because the shelf-life of an open bottle in my shop was way too short. About a month, in fact. It'd just set up in the bottle. Seems about as strong as five-minute epoxy, though.

I've heard really good things about Gorilla Superglue, though. It's supposed to be stronger and more flexible than regular superglue. I have some, but I haven't used it on anything yet.

glue

ALAN- I am so fumble fingered anymore. It seems that I always have a liner on each side then handles then the pins, either 2-4-5 or 6 pins for each knife.
I used 30 min Epoxy till they quit handling it in the Panhandle. Five minute epoxy happens to fast for an old fart. Now someone as young as RICH probably would not even notice having to hurry.Grin.
I squeeze all the air out of the smallest bottle of Gorilla, wipe the tip and close tightly. It will last about four months if not used up. It cost $5.95 and will do a lot of knives. It is probably about .25 percent of the epoxy cost.

Have not seen any Gorilla Super Glue. Tape is a beasty thing. Pun intended.Grin

Beautiful day no wind, temp in the 80's. Only thing that would be better is to be half the age and as full of experience as us old farts are.Grin

chuck

Gorilla Glue v Epoxies

I use a lot of different glues depending on what I'm doing. I like the Gorilla Glue for woodwork, and have no problem with shelf life, even here in the tropics. The key is to keep it in the shop refrigerator. I buy it in the quart bottles and they last until used up, about a year or more, depending on how much work I'm doing. Pretty good stuff. I clean my hands with lacquer thinner immediately after using it and generally get away with it - not always. If I let it go a couple minutes too long I get to wear a stain for several days. :-)

I also use epoxy, both the 5-minute cheap stuff and the much better West System epoxy. The West System stuff has different hardeners depending on how fast you need it to go off and what the temperature is. I use them all. Down here, the fast hardener is only good for thin film applications when you're feeling really speedy and nimble. (grin) I like the West System the best but it is expensive, though well worth it.

One of the niftiest glues I've ever used for wood/metal or glass/metal combinations is the methylmethacrylate glue from the Loctite people and others. The industrial stuff I use has a separate activator in a spray bottle and you put a drop or two of the glue on one surface and put the pieces together then spritz the edge of the joint with the activator -in ten seconds you have a full-strength bond that is really strong. I used to glue solid metal letters to glass windows with the stuff and the only way it comes off is at the expense of the glass. It's the same stuff as rear view mirror adhesive except on steroids. Really expensive, of course - like fifty bucks an ounce or something. Super handy because, unlike super glue, you can take all the time in the world to re-position things until you get it perfect and then hit it with the activator and the bond is almost instant.

The one glue I haven't been able to find, and desperately want, is the one that will re-glue the seam on 2x72 sanding belts. Down here they just don't keep more than a couple months before they let go and I don't have a big enough fridge to store them in there. Anybody ever found anything that really works for re-gluing these belts?

Rich

broken belts

RICH-- There is one number of one brand of belts that I will not buy. I bought a half a dozen the last time all 220s and BROKE every one of them within 6 seconds after putting them on the sander that has never broken a belt that was not damaged by me or the kids. Years ago I had saved some almost new broken belts to use as emery cloth and damned if they were not the same belt.
A good friend of mine had the same experience with them. This did not happen in the joint, the belts broke.

I have no idea how old or where they had been before I got them. You can tear them straight across just like paper. The number is RB346M. I have got some of this company's yellow backed flex belts that have been good for several years--still good.

My preference for a hogging belt is the 3M 967F It is a yellow belt and is outstanding on cutting and not loading up. Have never had a 3M belt, NORTON belt, or the German Klinehoffer belts fail.

Humidity will get them. Setting on a shelf in someones warehouse is bad if it was a cheap made belt to start with.

No repair that I know of. If a person knew the original adhesive for any of the belts he could fix most of them.Grin How would you like to try to get that formula?Grin

chuck

Chuck

Well, I'm gonna try to get the glue or the tape from 3M or Norton or Klingspoor. I use belts made by all three of them and like them, but they all fail after a few months down here in the heat and humidity. Nothing whizzes me off more than putting on a brand new $4 belt and have the joint pop in three seconds. Problem is I buy belts when I'm at a conference and they have a special or I order them online and I don't want to order just two or three and pay as much to ship them as the belts cost. So I buy twenty or thirty and then toss half of them - I can't win.

I'm going to telephone the tech people at the manufacturers and see if someone will take pity on me and send me some tape. Or tell a way to fix them with glue or something. I've tried all the glues I have on hand and even tried iron-on seaming tape. Nothing last more than a minute or two on the big grinder and maybe five minutes if I'm real careful on the 1x42 sander.

If I get lucky I'll let you know.

sanding belts for wet conditions

Rich, may I commend to your attention the belts made to be used wet? Kalamazoo and others make wet belt sanders. They use a belt designed to be run with water lube. They cost about 20% more than standard as I recall from the valve shop where we run one. In fact I have a Kalamazoo sitting in my leanto, that I tried to sell at SOFA last year. Nobody bit. I think I will set that up and try it grinding knives and the like. Imagine grinding hard and no burnt metal, and no dust. Downside is you have to wear a plastic apron. I bought mine from Hagemeyer and I think the brand was Superior. The belts are basically heavy wet or dry paper. They also never seem to load up, and cut fast.

Belts

Rich,

Can you keep the belts in a plastic bag with a pouch of silica gel?

Belts

Jeff,

The belts I use don't seem to be offered in a wet version. I definitely don't want silicon carbide - way too slow for grinding steel. I like the 36 grit zirconium belts that will rip 1/2" off a piece of 1"square bar in five seconds. I'll ask the 3M guy about a wet version of them when I call. Never hurts to ask!

Mike,

Problem with that is that most plastic bags are somewhat vapor permeable - enough so that the silica gel would be saturated in a week or two. I'd never remember to dry it out periodically. Now, a sealed vapor-tight cabinet might do the trick, as long as it was just the humidity and not the persistent heat that is the culprit. I'll have to think on that if I can't talk 3M out of some replacement tape. Thanks for the idea.

Rich

Glues

I don't know squat about glueing belts and glues used.-------------But------Back in the 60's when I hired in, aircraft factory. They had this glue made by Eastman products. Very expensive, and I think a for runer of the super glues. I remember a small bottle costing $60. This glue was fast acting and held tight.

Misc.

I had some Tipton pictures to post, but haveing trouble with computer, etc. Since I have belonged to IBA and going to our conferences (1990) I think this was the biggest one. (attendance etc.)----Next year if nothing goes wrong, Pete Ross and Clay Spencer is supposed to be the demonstrators. So mark your calenders.------Thanks to those who attended and auction items donated.

Tipton/IBA

Got back sunday evening about 6pm.
Was good to be home. Had a grand time with Clif and Kurt doing the vice demo.
I met both of them on the same day in June of 87.
Have been close friends with both of them since.
The vice came out pretty good, we all worked hard at it both before the conf and while we were there.
Was great seeing so many friends there. Steve G, Dave Hammer and his son Richard drove a long way to be there.
Talked to several people that drove quite a ways to come see us work under the steam hammer.
We are planning to get together to make the rest of the parts for the vice and then finish is for the IBA.
I want to thank Larry Marek for hauling the hammer and boiler there so we could use it. He is a great guy and friend.
The IBA group was great to work with as well.
A whole bunch of people worked thier tails off to make the weekend happen.
Wish I could have taken in some of the demonstrators that were there.
They had some good ones to watch and learn from.

Thanks for posting the pics.

Steve

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Glue

I think the glue DW was referring too was "Eastman 910." When we were first parried, in 1957, the Bakelite latch on our (used) refrigerator broke. We were broke. There was no replacement part available. I had just totaled a car and nearly killed myself. The company president's personal experimental shop machinist came to me and said "This will fix it. it costs $60 for half an ounce but you only need a drop." It fixed the refrigerator and we used it until at least 1968 when I sold it.

I posted a picture in the gallery... See if you recognize who it is...

Dave's picture

Rodger

Oops

Roger

superglue

John Odom is right, Eastman 910 was the original cyanoacrylate glue. The price is still about $60 for an ounce - if you buy it in the little 1/2 gram tubes for $1.00 that works out to about $60/oz, Buy a quart or so and the price drops significantly. When I was a forensic detective we bought it a pint at a time for our print fuming cabinet and it wasn't cheap but it was a lot less than buying superglue tubes.

Rich

Picture

Yep, looks like Smith to me. Guess he's taking up cross-dressing, huh? (grin)

Rich

picture

it is not BAD Roger

Eastman 910

We used it in the tool & die shops I worked in. We used the regular stuff for holding parts for finish grinding, and a conductive formula for attaching carbon EDM electrodes.

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'You can tell the freedom of a people by the weapons they are allowed to keep'.

Came up in a bull session. We all remember it but not the author.

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Before I turn in I thought I'd wish all a happy fourth of July. I'm very thankful to live in this great country which offers the freedom for us to have such widely varying political views and to express them. Despite the unreasoned anger and the senseless fears so many are tying to take advantage of for political gain I believe that we will survive and thrive in the future if we can continue the tradition of compromise and shared effort which has taken us so far. If you aren't happy with your country take advantage of your freedom, inform yourself and tell your legislators what you think and what you want- don't just let lobbyists do it. Happy Independence day all. Steve G

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I want to wish everyone a very Happy Independence Day. Wonderful to live in a country like this. Don't forget to vote every time you can.

God Bless You and the U.S.A.

chuck

Happy Fourth you guys

I know Sparky and I can argue with you on which is the best country, I'm for Canada and he is for New Zealand. Mind you New Zealand is a pretty nice place. But what I will say about you Americans is I haven't met one of you that I didn't like. So I would like to wish you guys a Happy Independence Day, you truly are a great bunch. Thanks for sharing you wealth of knowledge.

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DARYL- My deal did not mean I thought the USA was better than any other.
CANADA and NEW ZEALAND are sailing along quite some smoother than the USA right now.

I meant we(U.S.A.)are having hell right now! And we are not about to give up.

chuck

SandPile

That is the spirit don't give up it will get better. We went through it in the mid 90's and New Zealand had it even worse in the early 90's. We both came through the tough times a lot stronger and so will you.

Just remember today is the best day of your life, and tell that to yourself everyday.

Happy Birthday USA

And may we continue to have solid bonds of friendship with Great Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and other old friends despite the stupidity and greed of some politicians.

Happy 4th to all. I did my monthly demo at Jerusalem Mill, a revolutionary war history site.

Happy Independance Day everyone!

MEP 003

Dave Hammer:
Got to looking at some old posts here and saw that you had a manual for the MEP 003. Does your genset use the NSN 6110-00-764-7621 voltage regulator? I ran across a thread somewhat else that might indicate that the Alternator proper for the MEP-016 110/220v ac and the MEP-026 28V dc gensets might be the same, with the difference of alternate voltage regulator wiring and different output circuitry. If true, I will have a new use for my low hour MEP-026... The MEP-026 supposedly uses 28v 60 cycle 3 phase ac to feed a 3 phase full wave bridge. Not that big a step from 30 some volts to 110. Really don't have time at the moment to fire it up and hang the scope and meter on it.
I really don't need a new project... but if you can't die until they're all done I should last a bit longer...
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I have PDFs of the manuals I have for the 003. I searched for the number you asked about in all manuals, but did not get any hits.

Would there be a place on the generator without taking more of it apart) I could look to see if it is using that regulator?

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YUP.... It is Roger...

Not sure he wanted me to post that one. I think the picture was taken at a CVBG meeting at his place this past spring sometime.

Roger's pic

Dave,

Well one thing is for sure - posting it has diminished the resale value. Too late now to sell it back to him! Grin.

Rich

The picture

Rich I think he is now in negotiations with Sparky. So every grab a copy while you still can, it should be worth a pin-striped something.

Oops

That was me meaning to address Rich

Great posts lately.

Thanks everyone! Buck

that is what i look like when my hard hat comes off.

Interesting that someone posted the above attributed to my web name.

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Looks a bit like Howard Stern ...
I haven't figured out if that is an insult or a compliment ...
Take it however You want.

3B Project... One step back, two steps forward

I have been working on the 3B project the past couple days.

I made rigging to lift the ram in from the bottom (then the ram guide afterward)... Didn't work.... The ram wouldn't go up from the bottom. I should have looked closer before I tried. The cylinder is not bored for the upper_ ram_diameter all the way down through the frame. Actually it makes sense, because if the cylinder were re-bored from the top all the way down through the frame (after initial manufacture), it would cause issues for the lower ram guide alignment. I thought I had put the 1B ram in from the bottom, but am not sure now (must have been a senior_moment brain fart).

Anyway.... Reset on ram install procedures.... I installed the lower ram guide (see... I needed that rigging anyway). I removed part of a ceiling joist to get more clear head room, cut a small hole in the roof (sorry, there still won't be a bell tower), built a temporary structure on the roof to hold a winch, then removed the ram head. We (Caryol assisting) pulled it up with the winch, then pulled it sideways away from the frame and let it down next to the hammer. After that we pulled the ram up with the winch (sliding it on a 2x10 till it was above the frame, lowered it from the top into the cylinder and let it sit on the lower guide. Then we re-installed the ram head. Then I removed the winch and temp structure from the roof. I only needed a small slot for the cable to come through the roof, so I can repair that easily after the hammer is running. For a temporary roof repair, I just slid a piece of tin (big enough to cover the hole also) up under a couple shingles above the hole so rain will not run into the hole.

Getting closer to operation.... I set up rigging to lift and hold the upper die in place (it weighs about 75 lbs) and also lift the ram a little to make room to slide in the lower die. Next is make new drifts for the dies.

Two sets of dies came with the hammer. The working surfaces are 8 x 7 inches (with the corners rounded on the upper die). I will modify one set to be 4 x 8 inches first, then decide how to use the second set later.

After all that, I still need to put the treadle and linkage back on, make a counter weight for the treadle, and verify that the oiler works (still haven't gotten to that yet).

Then a little electrical work... After all that..... Hammer Time.

Some advice I have for anyone wanting to work on one of these hammers.... Have a big shop with a high ceiling and a high overhead winch. It would have been so much simpler and faster.... but... I guess we figure out how to work with what we have at hand.

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Hmmm....kinda long windy around here lately.

Well, we broke a record here today, 104 degrees.

I worked half a day & went home to work on our website.

I'm glad you're making good progress on the 3B, Dave. You'll have to post a bit of video on Youtube when it's running.

Tom C

Dave Hammer

Sounds like real progress, Dave. That's great! I'll bet you're really excited to get it together finally - it's been a long hard road but you're almost there. This time next week you'll probably be running it.

Rich

104º ?

That's just not right!_Been hot here two._ starting to bum me out.

Dave your almost there!
JIM

Daves hammer

Sounds like you and the bride had a busy day working on the hammer.
Won't be long now till your hitting some hot iron.

Steve

Nazel 3B

This morning I decided to jump the gun a little and power up the 3B for the first time... After a little manual oiling, a temporary electrical hookup and a racing heartbeat, I did it... If you're curious what happened, take a peek at

www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7C0Wnii5NI

This was the third time I put power to it. The first time was a little hectic. I don't have the treadle on yet, so I was using the hand lever. On the first power up, I had the lever in the full power position (not intentional). I didn't have the camera on, but believe me, it was exciting.

Yes, I know the bottom die drift came loose. New drifts are next.

Now I can wait out this heat for a few days before I go back on work on it again.

I will post more when it's ready to hit some hot iron.

Tom C.

Did you call me windy? Hmmmm.... Guess I can't deny that....

Dave Hammer- Very cool on a hot day :-)
See ya at Tuckahoe ?

John Fe

I'll be at Tuckahoe Saturday. Should arrive around 8 AM. Dick Smith will be coming with me. I'll bring some stuff so we can demo a bit (gotta have stuff).

Hay Dave way to go! Seems to be doing everything it's suppose to do.
JIM

Thanks Jim and John.....

No, I was refering to the spam post just above mine. They usually don't carry on so long.

It actually rained here today!!!

Tom C

Dave Hammer

Outstanding news, Dave! Congratulations. I'd be chomping at the bit to get it wrapped up after that.

Rich

Dave's Hammer

Dave great to see it running, q

I guess I shouldn't drop the key board

Way to go Dave, it looks like fun.

3B

Dave, It looks great in the video. I'm betting you are one happy man seeing it run after all that work. Your lucky that Caryol understands and was willing to help get that ram in.

We got a few drops of rain earlier today and it looked like a little relief with more to come but it turned bright, sunny, and hot and stayed humid. I had the forge going making some tooling and some lamp parts then moved on to some cooler more fabricating related work later this afternoon. Steve G

Hurray, Dave!

Thanks again everyone.... It IS a thrill to see it run.... and I AM anxious to hit some hot steel with it, even before I have smaller dies.

Rich W.... I feel the same way, but 105 degrees (real or equivalent) saps the energy (and desire) needed to work outside... or in a shop without air conditioning. I'll still be plugging away, just not all day. It will be cooler soon :-)

Nazel 3B

Great work, Dave.

Nazel fire up

Congrats Dave!! You are one industrious fellow.

Tom C

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Nazel

Congradulations Dave

hey everyone new here want to say hi !

hi everyone just joined here want to say hi !
i m glad to register here hope i make good friends,learn something and give something back to community !
regards

Dave's 3B

Congrats Dave - persistence pays off

Tuckahoe

John Fee has not posted yet but myself and Lance are holding it togather. Oh Yeah. Its hardly even hot here. The Flee market was great for us early birds.
There were a bunch of leg vices , forges and blowers. This is just a great place for tool gathering.See ya

Dave Hammer

Congratulations on getting the Nazel running, and thank you for sharing the video.

The hat you made for me last year is the top attention getting in my forging collection! Thanks!

The weekend!

Should be a fun one. Keane is visiting us!

The visit

Bet that's making a happy Nathan. I hear he is inheriting a lathe as well.
Bout time someone went to visit, instead of the other way around huh.
JIM

Keane

Have a good time at Nathan's..... Then bring some of that cooler air back south and send it east a bit...

Thanks again everyone, for the nice words... Not as hot here today, but more humid.... Same end game.

posting photos

Tried to post photos and couldn't get them to go. Any suggestions.

Thanks

Daves hammer

Wooohoooo!!! Good for you Dave!!.
Sweet machine you got there. Can't wait to see you hit some hot metal with it.
Pretty soon it will be covered with a nice coat of oil and grunge.

Congrats buddy.

Steve

Glenn - Photos

Glenn, the file size for the photos must be under about 200K. If they're bigger than that you'll need to re-size them to under 200K and then they'll go.

Rich

The visit

No lathe but we are having a great visit. Today Nathan and Keane head to a gathering near Brainered of the mid central blacksmiths. As for the weather, it is cooler at night but the humidity has returned this morning.

Have a great weekend everyone!
Bev

74º here

Rained a bit last night witch cooled things off. Hope it stays that way.
Have a great weekend.
JIM

Rain

We got 0.75" yesterday afternoon and overnight. We needed it. I had been mowing twice a week, then it turned dry and I have,'t mowed for 10 days. I mow tomorrow! One can actually watch it grow!

I fired up the propane Friday forge and made a wall bracket on which to hang the ironing board when not in use. It gives a little more useful space in the laundry room.

I missed the CVBG guild meeting today, but I did go to The Tackahoe steam show near Easton, MD. Lots of rain the we badly needed, so I can't complain about it (but what a mess it was). Guess I'll have to see Robert Bean's shop another time. His is one of few from that guild that I haven't seen yet.

Had a great time at the steam show. Several of us demo'ed there. Picked up a couple things at their flea market, notably a small vice I like.

I expect I will need to mow my grass early next week again. I haven't mowed it for almost six weeks.

Whant to meet you

Hi i'm newbie here and i want to meen you

Dave Hammer

Dave, could you send me your email addy please? I have some links to steelmaking and a Nazel 3B at work you might enjoy if you haven't seen them before.

r e d c p a A T q w e s t D O T n e t

Thanks!

Ellen... Email your way.... Thanks!

I worked a bit on the 3B this afternoon. It hardly got to 90 degrees today (almost cool). I bent a new treadle bar (from 1 and 3/8ths solid round), made an adjustable counterweight assembly for it and adjusted the linkage. I also figured out how high my platform needs to be. I'm thinking I'll build it with pressure treated wood, then screw non-flamable sides and top on it (like that tile backing?), then use a textured rubber mat to stand on (like the one I use in the shop on the concrete floor). I'm a little skittish about using wood anywhere under foot, but I don't want to raise the whole floor that much (about 10 inches total).

platform

perhaps 8" concrete blocks with bricks or pavers on top. Won't rot or burn.

Dave Boyer

Not sure I should do it that way Dave.... It makes too much sense....

Interesting Read

Interesting Read: Read this book earlier this month; A young man in Mali tells of his desire to improve the quality of life for his family and himself. Describes some very imaginative adaptations, reworking of scrap materials, and what the power to actually learn through self-study can accomplish.

Book: "The boy who harnessed the wind : creating currents of electricity and hope"

Authors: William Kamkwamba and Bryan Mealer

ISBN (hardcover): 9780061730320

It's another hot and muggy day North of the Lake (Ontario.)

Don

Jim Fecteau

I love the picture you posted of your daughter... Meeting your family was one of the highlights of coming the the conference at your place last Sept.

Smithin opinion

We are in the process of making a Smithin' Magician for our shop. Right now the question is make it to fit the hardy hole, or mount in a vise.

Even though the vises are leg vises, I have always worried a little bit about really pounding on the top of a vise.

Anyone got any experience w the question?

Thanx,

rudys question

Thats why leg vises have a leg "for pounding on" As long as the leg is solid at the bottom,don't worry.

On a couple of my tools (adjustable fuller, etc. ) I made a flat plate as a base. The plate has a square hole where a 1 inch square tubeing with a flange on one end, can be inserted. I can use this on a solid flat surface,or my anvil, or vise, by simply inserting the adapter or taking it out.--When I'm at someones elses shop and my 1 inch tang don't fit there anvil, I use the vise or flat surface.

Misc.

I have been working on my portable forge cart for the county fair. Something I started 4 or 5 years back, and never completed. After taking a break down forge to two tractor shows this summer, I decided this ole man needs to make something more simple.-------Oh I got a small rivet forge, but I prefer a forge with a deeper fire pot, when I'm out.

Dave Hammer

It was a great time and I may do it again. BUT I still need some time off. (-:
A tun of people.

Here is a link to a photo gallery of the meet.

w w w authenticoutdoors.com/gallery/neb/

Rudy's Smithing Magician

Rudy,

Make it to go on/in your anvil and forget the vise. Unless you have a post vise mounted in a pit or with the leg dramatically shortened, you won't be able to effectively use a magician in a vise - it will up so high you can't hit it effectively. The magician itself is about 6-8"tall - add that to the height of the vise (probably about 36-42") and you 'd have to be a NBA player to strike it comfortably. Don't risk doing damage to your arm/shoulder that way, mount it on the lowest anvil you have in the shop.

Rich

Rich Waugh

Maybe Dave Wells is an NBA player...

But I do agree, the vise would be better....

Started working on a set of dies for the 3B today...

Don Shears

Don, William Kamkwamba has a blog on wind power as well.
I only know this from the reading I have done on home wind power on the net.
I have his blog in my bookmarks.

williamkamkwamba.typepad.com/

Steve

Re: About W. Kamkwamba

Steve: I haven't seen William's blog; his book relates how he and his friends began teaching themselves, first by repairing radios; making their own tools (i.e. fine size screwdrivers from bicycle spokes); the scrounging/salvaging of materials; and the events leading to his discovery of a small donated library of science and DIY type books. Those books inspired him to over a period of about a year build a wind generator for his parents home. Then to move onto other projects that improved not only the life of his family, but also the village (hamlet?) he lived in.

I'll check out William's blog; I tried to get my son to read the book, but his time is currently monopolised by summer school - just finished grade 8, Adrian's now taking Grade 9 English before actually setting foot in High School! Honestly, I wasn't so motivated at his age.

It's going to be another muggy (and warm) day here. Just wrap yourself in a wool blanket pulled out of boiling water - it'll be more comfortable (stated tongue in cheek.)

Take care.

Don

Don Shears

Sorry to hear you're having the same weather we are - must be especially miserable when you're not accustomed to it. Drink lots of fluids and don't do anything more energetic than getting up to pee. This too shall pass. :-)

Thanks for the lead on the wind power book. Sounds fascinating and I ordered it today. I like books like that.

See you at QuadState, I hope!

Rich

NBA player

Dave, you know David Wells is a baseball player. Not a NBA player.-grin-

Don Shears

Don, I may have to see if I can get that book from the library. Sounds like a good read.
Reading a biography of Henry Ford right now. Wheels for the World.

Steve

Currently I'm still hoping to get to Quad-State this year; just fought off an attempt by my boss to send me to a west coast conference that weekend!

What can I bring folks, (except for concord grapes---they all vanish mysteriously on the drive from MO to OH...)

Thomas

steam hammers

While things are slow here and some still remembering Tipton, heres a bit of information I ran across in a old book my wife bought Monday.

The Largest Steam Hammer in the World
The largest steam hammer in the world has been made at Pittsburg, Penn. It is used for forging steel plates of enormous thickness and size, it is ten feet square, and strikes a blow of 200 tons. The anvil block upon which its fearful impact descends is a solid cube of twelve feet and weighs 180 tons. It was cast upon the foundation it now rests on and it took the molten contents of six cupolas to make the block. When it was cast the Pittsburg Fire Department sent six engines to the scene and kept them there for a week, or until all danger that the fearful mass of molten iron might burst its bonds or by its exploding gases fire the neighborhood, had ended. It took nearly six months for the anvil to cool so that the sand mold might be dug away, and even then workmen could not touch it with their hands.

Houghtalinsg’s Revised Hand-Book, published in 1905

Steve Parker

Steve
Just got off the phone with the Guild of Metalsmiths
They asked and I agreed to bring a hammer for you to play with at the madness.
Will that get Deb a small diamond. She knows she wont get one from me.
I did buy her a lamp and a table at the last two conferences I was at but no diamond.
I did see at forgmagic Brian Brazeal had made one with a treadle hammer.
BAD Roger in MN

re: Pittsburg steam hammer

DW - interesting reference, I'm not certain I believe the entire story - 180 tons of iron would be 1,267,605.634 cubic inches @ a density of 0.284 lbs per cubic inch. A cube of 12 feet is 2,985,984 cubic inches. At the one place I worked, we did 50 ton forging ingots using a VAR - it didn't take even a week to cool to ambient temperature. You're talking 4 times as much metal, and in a cube which would be a slow cooling shape - the rough numbers just don't work. Still, a good story, even with a bit of hyperbole.

hammer

At first glance it sounded to me like the author of the book had dropped a zero off the anvil weight. Did not do the math but would not think a heavier drop weight than the catcher weight.

Might have been written by phycology major. They have a tendency to think people will go for it regardless.Grin

chuck

Steam hammer

See this from the NY times:

h t t p://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9903E4D7143AE533A25750C1A96E9C94609
ED7CF

Remove the spaces and copy and paste

Thanks John O

Great article. Impressive dimensions.

Big honking press

Here's a link to a pdf on the biggest press ever. I know I posted it before, but it still is truly awesome.Scroll down to the pics.I'd really like to see it in operation. It's located in Cleveland.

h t t p://files.asme.org/ASMEORG/Communities/History/Landmarks/5488.pdf

(take out the spaces, natch)

Tom C

12 foot cube

Wouldn't that be roughly 400+ tons?

Big Honking Press

That makes the 5,000 ton [mechanical] stamping press at the auto frame plant look like a peanut.

1728 cu. ft.

Dave Boyer:

Yes. 419 or 422 tons, more or less, depending.----Guess the news paper writer of the article wrote the wrong thing. 320 tons difference "what the heck" -grin- A 12 foot cube incased in sand isn't gonna cool overnight.-grin-

Belt grinder kit at Quad State last year.

Does anybody remember who was selling the belt grinder kits at Quad State last year? One of My friends might be interested.

belt grinders

I think it may have been Nathan, he was selling tong kits for a friend, and the guy making the tong kits makes a grinder kit as well.

belt grinder kits

Here is the guy's web site. www.polarbearforge.com/grinder_kit.html

web sites

Most browsers will fill in the htt p on their own if you just cut and paste the above.

Grinder kits

Dave B and John N,

Nathan is an authorized dealer for Bader grinders, and he does not sell any grinder kits. I recall Wayne Coe briefly hanging around our booth talking about his grinder building workshops and that may be where the misinformation comes from.

If you want a really professional grinder, get a Bader from Nathan.

Rich

Grinder kit

Sorry I guess I was wrong. But Nathan was selling those tong blanks and I have heard good things on another forum about those polarbear forge grinder kits, However I have no direct experience with them.

Rich / J Newman - Grinder

Rich, I sent My friend the link to the pics of the one You built, if He could cobble one together with a kit or from scratch 1/2 as nice as Yours, He would be really pleased. The bader is WAY out of His price range.

J Newman, thanks for the link, I will send it to Him.

Dave Boyer

I looked at the Polarbearforge grinder kit and it looks like it would make a satisfactory grinder for about 1/2 to 2/3 the price of a Bader by the time you got all the stuff together to make it comparable to the Bader. It is all bolted together, which is a more sure-fire method than welding for getting something that ends up square and straight. Looked like a good bit of drilling and tapping to be done.

Another thing he might consider is buying the parts from Beaumont Metalworks to make a KMG clone. I'm sure you could put together a design for him pretty easily and he can get all the wheels and bearings and stuff from Beaumont fairly reasonably.

My grinder looks pretty impressive but I took a lot of cheap-outs on wheels and stuff and it could run a lot better than it does with proper wheels. I'd rather have a Bader, but at the time I had no funds for one - still don't, actually, or I'd get one from Nathan and make him deliver it. :-)

The Bader is not cheap, but everyone I know who has gotten one has said that it paid for itself on the first job or two. As sloppy as my homemade one is, it does a lot of work in very short order. I wouldn't want to do precision knife grinding on it, though. Maybe after I invest a few hundred in proper wheels for it.

Rich

Bader is GOOOOD

Bader is GOOOOD

........ I'll never regret buying it. Pulled it out of the crate and started making money in five minutes............... and still making me money.

JIM

I'm getting pretty close to finishing my KMG clone. I need to get an actual grinding belt to check the alignment of the wheels & the tracking mechanism.(I used a loop of drywall tape for a stand-in)Grizzly has a 10" contact wheel for about $65 which is a substantial savings over the one from KMG.

Tom C

Firstly, design of the cell phone. Most probably many testers and researchers' principal concern is the appearance of a Branded Cell Phone. They operate a long time testing new appearances and designs in an effort to provide a phone with a good appearance and that falls with a guaranteed price range given to them from above.
What Chinese off brand phones lack is this one. Old phone case moldings are employed and electronics and components they'd made are placed inside them. The Chinese base their moldings on the multinational brands including iPhone or BlackBerry thus making their phones look fake. They do that as it's less expensive to imitate the molding of other phones than to generate their own.

Second the parts of the cell phone chip. Various chips are utilized for known cell phones. Sharp MHz rate within chips are invaluable when a phone is running some of the faster functions, so are the rest in relation to modern smart phones. Less costly phones can be found with slower chip sets. China cell phones are surplussed by MTK chip set. The MEDIATEK (MediaTek Inc) chip sets include two generations currently applied in most of the phones.
The first generation (MTK6225) will often be used for lower cost phones, and more than giving a phone normal functions like calling and messaging, also lets the phone include touchscreen functions, WAP internet capabilities, and standard multimedia abilities (like a camera/ video camera, MP4 player, MP3 player, etc). On the contrary, MTK6235 has faster MHz, higher camera resolutions, speed, and Wifi. These aren't as swift and powered as the branded chips. Because they are surely more affordable & ever available, the last generation phones are being marketed by the Chinese cell phone makers.

Thirdly,the cell phone's Operating System. World famous branded Mobile phones have different operating systems from others. From time to time, if a company is cutting corners, they get rights to try another company's OS (as in Windows Mobile) and leave it untouched, or else change it to match their own requests. China mobile phones are almost all using the same OS, called the nucleus OS. They use this OS because this is easy with light weight structure, not much processing speed, abundant supply and durability.

lastly we should talk about the cell phone's User Interface .
A custom tailored OS is utilized by branded mobiles. This makes it inimitable from other phones. China phones have the ability to figure a wide selection of differing UIs when using the nucleus OS. Many times however, they use this ability not to generate original interfaces to separate themselves from rivals, while primarily to simply recreate better known ones from brand name phones. They do this to contest with the marketplace of the world famous Branded Mobile phones. This interface can be dissimilar with the branded iPhone. All in all, the manufacturers of the China mobile phones do have the potential of putting up whichever devices that genuinely are different (both in design and in system) from known brand name phones. A good advice to follow is you take care of any provider that you have from China. Their list may well consist of numerous "Real" cell phones at low prices, plus the cell phone may even give the impression of being e.g. an authentic model, per chance that they are fake even so. Please do consider, when you get your phone from this type of China mobile phones supplier..

Tom C... Please post a couple pictures of your grinder project. I drove down to Josh Greenwood's shop last Tuesday, but he wasn't there... Your directions were good. I did see Roger after that though, and the railing project he's working on. Got some peppers and Red/Green tomatoes from him. What a crop!

I delivered the Kerrihard hammer (hated to sell that, it's so damm cute) to Ray Durrer Friday morning, then spent most of the rest of the weekend helping Richard (my son) put up suspended ceilings in his basement down at Blacksburg.

We had grandkids here most of last week, as we will this week (rest of this day, then Thursday through Sunday), so I will be busy with them. Joy, joy, joy.

This morning, I worked some more on the new dies for the 3B. Just a little more time and they will be done. I'm hoping to finish them and get the drifts made tomorrow or Wednesday. I also need to get the dovetail in the sow block cleaned up, but probably not this week.

I have five new fruit trees to plant this week also, so I may not get much shop time in.

KMG Clone

Tom C.
I finished a KMG clone last year. I got the plans here:

w w w.dfoggknives.com/PDF/GrinderPlans.pdf

Is that the same grinder that you have built?
Mine is running with a 3HP 3 phase motor driven by a vfd. It makes metal removal fun again...
paul

Grizzly contact wheel.

Tom, the Grizzly contact wheel doesn't have bearings. It is made to attach straight to the motor shaft. Unless your KMG clone is different than most I have seen it won't be a plug and play wheel for you. Depending on what machine tools and talent you have this might be either a minor nuisance or a major hurdle.

contact wheels for grinders

Sunray Inc has wheels- check out their website- good prices- with or without bearings- Aluminum core- solid billet- to get them lightened costs extra- still a good buy

Pioneer Day

Pioneer Day at yesterdays county fair didn't go very well.
Attendance was way down due to rain. Several activitys canceled.
I spent the bigest part of the day puting things up and cleaning my display items. "rust spots"

Belt Grinders

My friend is really tight on funds, so what ever He builds will cost little. He has a 3/4 HP 3450 RPM motor to use, but understands that He will need a proper contact wheel [He is starting knife making].

Ray, I linked Him to Your photo page here, I will send the wheel info.

Grizzly wheel: I don't know if this mounts with set screws, or clamps between flanges, but He may end up with one mounted direct to the motor, and just build an idler for the other end.

Question: What range of FPM are You guys using? If using a 10" wheel mounted to the motor, do You think a 3450 RPM motor is too fast? Grizzly is using a 1750 motor.

Belt Grinders

My drive wheel is 4" in diameter which is a little over one foot in circumference, my main drive wheel speed is about 4000 rpm with the pulleys that I am using...
If my math is right that puts the FPM of that 10" wheel at just a little over 9000 using direct drive.

My grinder uses a 3 HP motor had used a 2 HP prior to that... the 3/4 HP motor will be kind of anemic.
paul

Thanks for the heads up on the grizzly wheel, Martin. The contact wheel on the KMG has bearings, so I'll have to look at Ray's suggestion. Thanks guys!

I'm using a 3450rpm, 1 1/2 hp motor with a 4" drive wheel which gives it 3200 fpm plus or minus. I'll put a VFD on it when funds allow.

Our water heater crapped out Sunday. It was gas & vented into an unlined chimney which is now against code, come to find out. So, we get to spend some major $$$ to have a proper vent put down to bring it up to specs. I would have changed it to an electric tankless system, but we still would have had to do it for the gas furnace. Oh the joys of living in a "vintage" house.

Tom C

grinder on the cheap

I have pictures in the gallery here but it is lot easyier to get them up on the farwest site. Just go to sandpile and all my pictures are there together.

The belt grinder, head, and idler are as simple as it gets. And it is varible speed to a point.
The rubber contact and the motor or where the money is. Two horse motor can not be bogged down with a reeasonble knife blade.

chuck

rubber contact wheel---8 inch.

Belt grinder

Dave and Tom

My grinder is variable speed via step pulleys but I almost always run it full tilt screamin' boogie, about 6000 sfpm. The premium belts like that speed and last better that way.

With a 3450 motor you'll have to run a smaller drive wheel and let the contact wheel run as an idler. A 5" drive wheel would give a bit under 6000 sfpm and a 6" drive wheel a bit over. 5-1/2" drive wheel would be just like Baby bear's bed.

I agree with the others that a 3/4 hp motor will be wimpy, but it will work. If it's one of the older really heavy motors it will have better flywheel effect and be a bit more effective. Still, I have a 3hp motor on mine and find it just right - I can put a 24 grit belt on it and hog a 1/2" off the end of a piece of 1" square bar in about ten seconds. I don't do knives and they may have different requirements. I'm mostly interested in brute force for deburring, profiling and the like.

If he makes the grinder so it uses a drive wheel on the motor and a idler wheel for tracking and a idler contact wheel he can always change the motor later when he finds a more powerful one. Obviously, it would best to stick with something standard like a Nema 56 frame so the choice of motors is broader.

The Sunray folks have really good prices for their wheels. Though they don't rate them for the sort of speeds that most of us want our grinders to operate at, the reports that I've gotten indicate that they do just fine at those speeds.

Rich

against code

Ask the rule makers for money. (-:
Hay, why not, grant writing is a big money maker in this town.
JIM

3B Progress.... New Dies

I'm almost finished with the new dies for the 3B. They have a working surface of 4" by 8". Both are about 6" tall. I decided to make a new set from scratch using one of the blocks of H13 I bought from Patrick. I had John Larson make one cut with his large horizontal band saw, then did all the rest of the cutting and milling at home. Not perfect, but I believe they will be fine. I finished the drifts early this morning (before I started digging holes to plant apple trees). I still need to work on the lower die (a little) to get a better parallel surface match to the upper die . Not sure if it's going to be milling or grinding/sanding yet. I also need to heat treat the dies and one of the drifts.

Obviously.... the H13 is annealed. I'm going to make some phone calls to see what it might cost to get them heat treated professionally. It's my understanding that, with H13, it would be OK to just heat them to non-magnetic, then air cool with a fan blowing on them. The only thing I should have to do is ensure that they are heated all the way through. Any advice here would be appreciated.

In any case, I'm probably going to hit some hot steel before I do more with the dies.... just be sure they are settling in on the ram and anvil properly before they are heat treated.

It's time to make the platform and get the oiler plumbed.

I posted a picture of the dies.

Tom C, in our last house we had 4 chimneys each with two flues and no working fireplaces. Every room had a thimble into a chimney for a vented gas heater and the twin parlors had ornate mantels and gas fireplaces---unfortunately the gas co would not allow us to use the gas fireplaces anymore due to code issues; sigh.

The gas heaters were gone and forced air had been run up the spaces where the pocket doors used to be and we had *2* furnaces---one for each floor. Made it real handy to zone heat/cool the place and when a furnace or airconditioner went OoS we could limp on with just the other till we got it fixed---no emergency calls at high rates on a holiday weekend...

But the bats liked all those flues! We would get about 1 a year that would crawl through the damper in the winter and have to be netted and thrown back outside.

Old houses are both a joy and a "chronic" punishment!

Thomas

My wife calls our 1930s house a "slot machine" (because we just keep dropping money into it).

On the other hand, I had a 5 bedroom structural brick house with a slate roof on a double lot for around $50K about a third what my co-workers were paying for a much smaller house out in the suburbs and I never had any traffic to contend with when going to work as it was all going the other way!

Thomas

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I posted a few pictures of my grinder.
see My KMG Clone
The air tensioner was the result of a disacussion on another forum somewhere regarding the use of an air spring instead of a mechanical spring.
The originator of the idea was getting blasted because he made his grinder 'to complicated' and the use of an air spring 'tied the grinder to the shop'.
I thought the guy had a great idea. of course it's no big deal to release the screw holding the contact arm and push the arm into the socket and then pull it back out and re-tighten the screw... but the use of the air cylinder struck me as a more elegant way of setting belt tension, and it releases in the push of a button.
As far as being tied to shop air.... I don't know about you, but i really don't consider the grinder as a portable tool. Any place I ever decide to move it to will have shop air. The air nozzle close at hand is nice too. I don't show the VFD here, it is remoted to keep the dust and grime out of the VFD's little house . I am going to install a heavy duty foot switch for added convenience...
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Dave Wells,

Good job on the forge wagon! Nice hardware, too!

Dave Hammer,

The dies look good. You're almost there!

Paul Sperbeck,

The grinder looks really good. I'm not sure I see much advantage to the air tensioning, but whatever floats your boat - I over-complicate most of my projects so I certainly won't criticize anyone else for going overboard. :-) The foot switch is an excellent idea. Many times I've gone to my grinder with something that took two hands to hold and had to set it down to turn on the grinder. I'll have to get one of those.

Lots of rain, lightning and lack of power today. Raised hell with getting work done. Tomorrow will be frantic catch-up to get a rush job finished. Hate the pressure, love the money. :-)

Rich

Grinders

I wrote a post last night but it got lost while trying to post it...

I have a 3/4 HP motor on My 6x48 belt sander, it can be bogged down, but it grinds pretty well as long as the belt is sharp.

The 3/4 HP motor He has is 1.25 service factor, it should do OK.

I have a 1 1/2 HP 3450 RPM motor earmarked for if I ever get around to building a better grinder.

The kit I saw at Quad State last year isn't the one mentioned here, but in actuality He probably can't afford anybody's kit.

5 1/2"- 6" drive wheel sounds good. We had an expanding rubber wheel that took sleves on a grinder at work, it was about 6" at 3450 RPM. That worked well.

We will probably use a home made drive wheel on the motor, and perhaps the Grizzly contact wheel on a burned out motor as a cheap shaft & bearings.

Thanks everyone for Your input.

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Rich; just living in the VI over complicates most things there!

Thomas

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Concerning... "Rich; just living in the VI over complicates most things there!"

I kinda disagree.... I think not having all the crap that we have available to us to use and deal with.... complicates things more here. It has to be a more simple life in the VI. A citizen just has to adapt to it.....

It's probably one of the reasons folks live there.....

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Dave has it right, Thomas. My life is largely uncomplicated, compared to when I lived in the States. The TV here sucks and satellite TV is outrageously expensive so I simply don't have TV. I needed shorts so I went to Kmart - no Target, no Wallyworld no Goodwill, no choices so get over it. The choices in most things are fairly limited, making choosing a non-issue.

The corollary, of course, is that you have to be pretty damn self-sufficient to live on an island. Gotta know how to make do, get by, improvise and generally make cupcakes from cat turds, so to speak. Kinda comes down to two types of residents - the ones who are self-sufficient, do-anything types and the welfare state types who settle for nothing because they haven't got the tools to do it themselves or the money to pay me to do it.

Sadly, the VI is no longer the semi-frontier that it was when I first moved here. Insidious regulation and regimentation are creeping in all over, encouraged by a few lamoids who want things to be just like it was back home in Hamtramck, Hoboken and Houston. Personally, I preferred it when it was Hooterville. (grin)

I still like it here and every time I travel to the States only serves to reinforce that. I could no longer tolerate the crowding and hustle of modern life in the New World.

Rich

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A friend John Adamsused to make rubber contact wheels out of used solid rubber fort truck tires. Chusked them in a lathe and parted them to the right width. Welded in a hub with a hole and used the lathe to turn the rubber smooth.

The last batch of grinders he poured aluminum and turned that for the iddler wheels

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Waugh Not? Air tensioning on belt grinders beats mechanical all to heck.

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Anyplace a person decides to stay has its trade offs. Some folks want one thing another wants something else. RICH does not care for colder weather.
I am like RICH in the case of too many people going somewhere because of the relaxed easy going atmosphere, low taxes and the simple fact that people are friendly.
The first thing these invaders start saying --is-- WHERE I COME FROM WE HAD THIS AND THAT FURNISHED BY THE COUNTY-SCHOOL- HOSPITAL- POLICE DEPT. Little did the idiots know that the lower taxes that they come here for were headed out the window.
You meet one of them on the street --nod your head and ask them how they are? They look at you like WHO THE HELL ARE YOU AND WHY DO YOU INSIST ON SPEAKING TO ME!! Some will even tell you they don't know you and walk off. The backyards used to be fenced with chain link, they are now fenced with 7 and 8' privacy fences---These cause huge drifts in the adjacent yards

Now some of the locals have quit waving at people they don't know and do not toe a chair out telling one of these idiots to have seat at the coffee shops. bars or ballgames. Now they are saying we are not friendly and do not like the Northern invaders.
If I did not live ten miles from town I would stay in hot water all the time.

Now we have taxes like they run from. School and hospital taxes are the highest. Now they are trying to put building codes on a county basis rather than city.

In all fairness--Some of these people have settled in and are hard to tell from the natives till the accent lets you now they are not from here. Some have even started being full fledged neighbors, helping each other, waving at everybody, bragging on some one else's kid or grand kid, hollering at the others to keep the taxes down.

GRIN--I did not start out to rant. Just happened

chuck

Rich; but you can't just throw your Quad-State finds in the back of the vehicle and drive home with them! Though your advice on how to take 50 pounds of good smithing coal back on the airplane as checked luggage was spot on that time I flew to Q-S!

We didn't get a converter for the large CRT TV my daughter foisted on us, nicknamed "the eye of Sauron") so we don't have commercial TV either. The local public library has a great DVD collection though---they stocked up on BBC offerings when they switched from video tapes to DvDs (and I *know* they haven't watched some of them as the content would be considered a bit racy for small town USA!)

We have *2* thrift stores in town that covers a lot of my clothing budget. I'd far rather get lightly used top of the line clothes for a dollar than new cheap stuff for $10. As a "ranch town" we had 4 hardware stores, down to 3 after Walmart moved in and I support the home town one---sure it takes longer to get stuff as we howdy a bit; but even paying a bit more for stuff is well covered by them helping out when you are in trouble and looking out for you in general---they are the only place in town stocking Roach Pruf for making flux from. The local Radio Shack stocks ferric chloride just for the local knifemakers as nobody else is using it here these days.

Of course a small town out in the desert can be rather like an island in some ways. You should hear the complaints from the old timers about how things went to hell when the interstate went through and suddenly getting to the city wasn't a day long trip!

Thomas

Thomas

You have some of the best scenery in the world, and the "old timers" had I-25 passing by when I first went there in 1958........speed limit was 85, when most folks had vehicles that couldn't even begin to go that fast!

Cloudy, moist and cool here today; had a nice light shower yesterday so I saddled up and went for a ride in it. Must be crazy.

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HELENS Dad was the chief highway engineer when they were building I25 through New Mex.

We moved to Santa Fe in 1959.

13 miles east of town towards Las Vegas is what they call Glorieta Pass. There was two(2) springs coming up under the South bound highway. Those springs give them hell for years and years. The original highway shoulder should have been thirty foot farther out or another thirty foot blown off the mountain(might have just got more water). I laughed about that fiasco till my father-in--law passed. He would get redfaced and growly.

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I see the issue is universal. Dumb really. You know what's worse is that I let it get under my skin. Oh well......

Had a guy come over to the shop wanting me to make door pulls, hinges, and catches for a door at our library in town. Asked where the money was coming from. He answered right off, energy grant for we hope $200,000! AND their going to ask the town taxpayers to match it!
Told him I don't want to be a part of that thank you vary much. He asked why, I just said it's not worth hearing and I needed to get back to work. Taxes are coming up soon you know. (-:

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It's been hot here also... There was a 3 or 4 day cooler (80's) hiatus a couple weeks ago. Other than that, it's been mid 90's all the time. They are forcasting 98 today, 102 tomorrow, with humidity added. Two of my grandsons are with us this week. We are going to a steam show tomorrow, only in the morning.

The forecast for next week is all 90's plus also. I think a record has already been set here for day's over 90 degrees in one summer, and we still have weeks more of it coming....

Ellen in particular this was a co-worker's grandmother who remembers the atom bomb test personally (they were at the bedside of a dying relative when the sun rose again...); She remembers pre I25 Socorro quite well.

I try to listen to such people whenever I can; it's generally well worth the time and they generally tell the stories that make the "book history" come alive.

Sandpile; I thought you came up the Camino Real with de Oñate!

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Dave Hammer, tomorrow we are predicted for 99F and very high humidity. There is a very large three day outdoor concert featuring many classic rock acts at Churchill Downs this weekend. They will be selling alcohol, so I have started a pool at work as to howm many heat cases they treat. I bet on 200.

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They set the bomb off about the middle of the July and less than three weeks later they bombed Hiroshima. I have seen a hundred newsreels on it. It was terrible in the desert and lots worse in Japan.

It probably saved a million lives as bad as it was. A conventional war would have cost ten times as many lives. Japan was dug in beyond belief. And would have fought to the last man standing.

Terrible war.
God Bless the Allied Forces.

chuck

Jeff R..... I wouldn't be suprised if there aren't more than 200 cases of heat exaustion that will need attention...

It got to 100 at my house today. Humid also. Too hot for the kids to play outside after mid morning. We took them fishing early (before 9). No suprise, fish were not biting. I think it is the first time we got skunked there. The girs (they were here last week) each caught a bluegill when we went last week. Normally, the kids catch 2 or 3 each. Then we took the boys to an inside playground at a mall. After lunch, while the 3 year old slept, I took the soon_to_be seven year old to the Advar-Hazy Aerospace Museum. He enjoyed it a lot. Unbelieveable amount of aircraft (seemed like there were lots of new ones since I had been there earlier this year), space vehicles and weapons on display. We rode in a space_ship / space_station simulator. Good times today...

We will get to the Shenandoah Steam Show mid-morning tomorrow so we can be there at noon when all the steam (dozens) and gas (>100) tractors drive around the fairgrounds (Berryville, VA) making noise. We will head home after the parade.

Sunday morning, my daughter and the rest of her family will pick up the boys on the way to a National Forest in central Virginia for their vacation. I hope they have decent weather next week at the lake.

3B.... I expect to be hitting hot steel with the 3B early next week (even if it's still hot outside). I'm getting excited about doing it for the first time. I'll put something up on YouTube when I do.... I put down some cement block for the platform (thanks for the suggestion, Dave Boyer), and went yesterday morning and got everything I think I need to plumb the oiler. I'm confident the oiler will work, but I will set it up to run in the shop before I put it on the hammer, so I can adjust each pump and know it's putting out oil. I had to chase all over Tarnation to find the fittings I needed for the pump side. I ended up at a hydraulic hose place. I bought 1/4 inch copper tubing (at HD) and was a little suprised at how much it cost (about a buck a foot). The place I found it didn't have standard tubing, so I had to buy refigeration grade.

I hope it's cooler where you are....

Dave Hammer

When You get the 3B finished, You can figure out where on Your property You can put that 5B that Bruce Wallace has for sale...

Dave B

Only MY property? I have lots of neighbors nearby.

I thought you were trying for a set of Nazels.I'd like to see you towing the 5B back from Bruce Wallace's!

Theflue guys are coming this morning at 9:00 to reline the chimney. Glad I'm not going up on the roof!

I went by Roger's Thursday to confer on a swadge I was thinking about & found him working on some railings for the College of W&M. We commiserated about design by committee for a while & I left with a big bag of tomatoes from his garden (He has a drip irrigation system set up & has quite a crop.)

Tom C

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Man its hot everywhere.-Drink plenty of water. Already near 90 and humidity higher than blue blazes.----I got to help my grandson weed eat fence lines today. Part of a trade off, from a farmer he bought two calves from last year. We only have to do one swipe under the electric fence lines. Only trouble is maybe dealing with the bulls.---"Thats no bull."-grin-

I remember going through Lackland in June. We had heat strokes, guys passing out left and right, etc. etc. Then I spent 1 1/2 more years in Texas, then in the dessert in North Africa.

Drink up stay cool.

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Like everybody else here in the east we've had a couple of days of abnormal killer heat and humidity. A hot feeling high nineties though not the hundred Dave Hammer saw. A front passed through this afternoon with thunderstorms and lots of rain. It dropped the temps by about thirty degrees in a half an hour. It sure feels better now. I hope it continues for the next few days. Steve G

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We just had the hottest weekend on record here. Both days' high temps were 105, which is measured at the airport. Here in town it must have been more. We also had our highest low overnite temp of 80.
While Ellen might scoff at these temps, it's a bit much for us with the humidity.

Tom C

heat

Got cool last night here 66º.
Slept good for a change.
My kids all have heat rash.... Hope this weather lasts.
JIM

Last week we had 103-105 degF when I left work but we went to bed with just the fan in the window---gotta love the elevation and low humidity!

This week it's been rainy and cool and miserable humidities---it was nearly 60% today!

Thomas

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Your high temperatures with your high humidity make for something I really enjoy....for amount ten minutes. You can call it either a sweat lodge or a steam bath, the feeling is the same, Let Me Breathe please!

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Today I found a place that will sell HVAC parts to anyone with money. I wish I had known about them Friday when the AC was out in the apartment.

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One of the local junior colleges is offering a class in "Introduction to ornamental iron". It's a full class for a full semester through the ART department. Does anyone else have any experience w such classes? I don't plan to start making gates, etc. but thought it might improve my tiny little mind. Or is the opinion I will get stuff just as good from a couple of books and a Google search?

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Rudy

Give the instructor a call and have him give you a description of the class...

Bruce Wallace 5B

Does Bruce actually have the hammer
He apparently did not have the 3B he sold me years ago although he tried to sell the same hammer to a freind of mine after I sent him the money.
Everything was fine till I told him the truck would be there in the morning to pick it up then he did not have my hammer just my money
I did eventually get the money back and have been advertising for him free of charge ever since.
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I was just up to Kempton for the Gunmakers Fair at Dixons Muzzleloading, but I didn't go over to Wallace'shop, so I can't say for sure. I know a guy who does machine work for him, and that He has had some Nazel hammers to sell from time to time.

I recall Your advertising over the last few years. I never had any dealings with Bruce, it is a shame things didn't work out better between You.

I tried to buy a LN 25 wire feeder from John Christiansen, who had advertised some shop equipment over on Anvilfire. He cashd the check and never shipped the goods, I am STILL out the money.

I remember a line from a Jimmy Buffet novel:
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Rudy, if the instructor has a good amount of experience in ornamental ironwork, it'd beat trying to learn from books. Naturally, there's more to it than just knowing how to cut, weld forge & install. There's the design aspect of it which is most of what makes a pleasing item. If the teacher can inform on both those subjects, design & fabrication, then I say go for it.

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Thanks Dave and Roger for the heads up.
I'm sure Keane can endorse Roger's fine advertising campaign of Bruce as well.
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Weather has cooled down some here , feels good.
Had several days in the 90's with the feel like temp. over 100º.
To me it feeled like jumping in the plastic pond or staying in the air conditioned house.hehehe
I can take the heat as well and proably better than alot folks , after working in the engine room in the Navy and then 35 years makeing Pyrex® and Corelle® from the molten glass. It's just I don't HAVE TO NOW DAYS.hehhehee

I've met one asshole blacksmith.

Now your wondering if it's you , ain't ya? hehehee

My message on my answering for a while was ; "I'm screening all my calls cause I've got this asshole calling here. So leave a message and number and I'll get back to you. If I don't get back to you , your the one"...hehee

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That's a good one John.
Been hot and muggy here. Rain around, but not right here, just sprinkles. Little town of Tropic north of us about 40 miles got 4 inches of rain in 2 hours a few days ago. Should have seen the Paria River.....almost to flood stage. It is usually dry this time of year.
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Finally!

I'm sure a few of you have wished I would just get on with it with the 3B.... Today I did... I hit a little hot steel with it. I did have problems with the dies coming loose, so I need to work on the drifts a bit. I'll probably have to make a new upper drift and set it hot.

I put up a short video on YouTube

www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3gPMX2d_Gs

I was hoping to do something more that making a taper, but.... not this time. After I solve my drift issue, I'll produce another video making some small project...

Dave Hammer- Congrats on the hammer. Sure looks differnt from the first time I seen it in pieces all over the place.

Dave, excellent! Now to find the rest of the Nazel family:)

Congrats on the 3B, Dave!

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Dave, Another congradulations. Not only on the hammer, but you make 1st. class videos for viewing.

John Fee why do you keep calling your own answering machine?

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Toad Licker - After I left that message I stopped calling me so every thing worked out fine. I'm just glad it didn't come down to me kickin the $hit outta myself.hehhee

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Dave
How bout bluing fluid on the keys.... tap them in. take them out. Grind. Repeat the prosses till 90% of the key is not blue. After that drive them home.
I also put a copper shim on the sow/ ram sides of the key.
That info was learned from Ralph Sproul. My keys never come loose.

JIM

Congrats Dave

Forgot to say that (-:
JIM

Nazel

Filing/scraping the sow block to a smoother/flatter/straighter surface and then fitting of the keys as Jim Fecteau suggested should do it.

Keys

I would also suggest doing the keys with hi-spot bluing. I am sure the copper shim works well but I have been warned it can be very difficult to remove the key if you use a copper shim. I use grease or anti seize on my keys as well, after fitting them properly and greasing them they don't come loose but I can still get them out a couple of months later.

Dave Hammer, that spray moly I gave you should be perfect for die keys.

Dave Hammer, also remember that moly lubes will greatly reduce sliding friction. In a bolt the torque to reach a given bolt stress, moly lubed versus dry is about 40% less. So don't seat those keys once lubed with as hard a blows or you may get them too tight.

1 to 3 Rule??

Hi folks,

I overheard at a blacksmith gathering someone mention " The 1 to 3 Rule". I wasn't in a position to ask what what he meant. So, could you any of you explain "The 1 to 3 Rule" to me?

Bob Haverstock

Bob - I think it has to do with drawing out or squareing up.
You don't want to do it on stock that is dimentionally more than 1 to 3 cause you can/will get cold shuts.
1 to 3 stock would be like ¼" X ¾". or 1" X 3". To try to sq that up you take the chance of doubling it over on itself or small folds to cause cold shuts.
I think.
I've got a great memory , it's just short as hell.hehee

If that ain't it some one will straighten us both out.

John and Bob

John..... You have it right. I have heard that many times. I have violated it with some success though on stock that was at least 3/8ths thick) with a power hammer on the drawing side of combo dies. I always knock the edges down a little first though, then hit center edge (back and forth). I can't see any reason it could not be done by hand. Just be vigilent about not letting the edge mushroom. It will start to upset. When it does, hit it flat to move that upset area toward the center a bit.

3:1 rule and violations thereof

Another way to beat the rule on stock like 3/8"x1-1/2" is to take a high heat on it and then quickly chill the edges just a bit. That makes them resistant to deformation so the force of your hammer blows is going to be expressed more in the center of the bar. When I need to do this I chill the edges by just setting the edge on the anvil and momentarily resting a heavy piece of copper billet on the top edge.

Rich

Hurray, Dave Hammer. Your theory of lower rpm to achieve control of the 3B seems to have been right on the money. Congratulations on a long journey successfully concluded. :-)

3B

Thanks everyone, for the comments and suggestions..... All are welcome.

I did work on the upper drift a bit, using blue die. I'm not satisfied with it yet, but I'm going to give it another try soon. I did put a copper strip in on the die side of the drift. I have used a copper strip before with a mechanical hammer with success.

Jeff... I did set the drift with your spray moly.

I haven't run the hammer again yet because I have to wait for things to dry out a bit (electrical cords (not hot when not in use) not sheltered enough). My electrical hookup is still temporary when I am using the hammer. We were blessed with two inches or rain this afternoon in about 20 minutes and.... and more than I had expected got wet. I still need to dig a trench after it cools down a bit to bury the permanent wiring.

We had a lightning strike near enough to our house to blow the cover off an outside electrical box and destroy a bat house I had just put up on a nearby tree. No other obvious damage found yet. I saw the light and heard the instantaneous thunder. It's not clear exactly where the strike was. That made my heart race a bit.

Dave's Nazel(s)

Hi Dave, just watched your two Nazel videos and it looks like you've conquored the idle situation you'd mentioned months ago - the 1B looks like it's forging along real well also - you must feel really good about those two projects - congradulations as assembling and working on stuff this heavy is not for the weak at heart.

Jim mentioned the 90% contact on the blue dykem you'll be looking for - just patience with a flap wheel removing the high spots will get you there. There are to more tricks for the Nazel upper dies - and these are critical as a loose die means a cut/gouged wear plate in this hammers as you well know.

1) Install die, set key, run hammer two full blows, shut off hammer (setting upper die on a block to keep it close to the guide housing when hitting it with a 3-5 hammer. Re-set key with some good blows until you hear the sound of solid.

2) Make a set of die key drivers that are just 1/8 under the end of the die size - forge them and grind them to clean them up. Cut the ends at a bevel about 3/16 wide all around the four sides you'll be hitting the key with. This puts all the force in the center of your key and tightens it instead of swelling the end. This is important to release these keys when changing dies - a dam good blow is what it takes and the last thing you want to do is upset the end of the key - the beveled end works.

Good luck - works for me, and again nice job on being so persistant and thorough with your hammer projects.

Ralph

radius consideration

Dave - I forgot to mention if your dies have a wide radius - the keys must NOT have a sharp corner - this is the fastest way to loosen a key with an edge working against a radius - they come right loose - forgot that ......that'd be number 3. :-)

Ralph

3:1 Rule

Hi,
Thanks for the explanations. I've been down that path many times, didn't know that it had its own formal rule. Poor hammer control and light blows also contribute to the problem. So, is a fish mouth a narrow cold shut?

Today was pleasant here in the cornfields. The last few weeks were brutal.

Last Saturday, I demo'd outside at the Lincoln Log Cabin site. Sunlight and uneven ground, I try to avoid those 'smithing conditions. There were nine other 'smiths there too, they were doing good. We all suffered from the lack of good sense. I don't know if we would have had sense to ge out of rain,,, if it had rained.

Bob Haverstock

bats and rain OT

Good thing for the bats it was a new house or you would have had barbqued bat.

Last friday night our city celebration had an outdoor street dance.
Storms were headed our way and a town 12 miles away and the direction the storm was coming from was getting heavy rain and hail so I told the band this info.
As none of them were rocket scientists and some of the speakers for this gig were brand new out of the box they decided to take a 20 minute break. Just as it started to rain they decide to play again. They had been rained out at 3 events this year so of course they did not own a tarp or anything to cover the equipment so were trying to use garbage bags ect. We got 2" in about an hour not sure how it affected the equipment as they finally loaded up and left.
Just as well as the band sounded good until the singer tried to sing or was it tried to scream.

Bev
YOU havent given a Nathan update lately.
I called him almost two weeks ago and he was on a roof working
Said he only had one more job lined up
Maybe you need a good wind to come through so he can shingle

Bad Roger in Minnesota.

3B

Dave,

By what percentage did you slow the hammer down? What is the new BPM?

Bob Haverstock

Dave Hammer

Nice work on the hammers, good vids too.

Ralph Sproul..... Thanks for chiming in. It does feel good. I have been lucky and blessed with good advice from many sources, including you. The journey (trouble shooting and implementation) has been as satisfying as the results. Thanks also, for the great input on the drifts.

Bob H..... The hammer had been set up to run a bit too fast. I believed the speed was causing the air management to fail. I just slowed it down (smaller pulley) to the Nazel specification of 180 BPM. Documentation I have says the hammer can be run up to 125% of that. It had been set up to run at 147%. I actually would not mind to be able to run it slower than 180 BPM some times. I'm not sure how slow it can be run (I think Ralph Sproul is running his at 170 BPM). When I get a hookup to the diesel generator, I should be able to slow it down even more. The generator is spec'd to run at 60 cycles, but if the motor is strong enough to run the generator at a slower RPM, I can probablyl lower the cycles toward 50 by idling down the motor a bit. There is a cycles meter I can reference, so it should be an interesting experiment. The motor is spec'd (on the plate) for both 50 and 60 cycle usage. 50 cycles would give me about 150 BPM.

Roger D.... Barbequed bat?... That's a mental picture I didn't need.

Clarification.... The motor on the 3B is spec'd to be run either 50 or 60 cycles....

Dave hammer, isn't barbqued bat illegal in 37 Styates? :) Glad it was not worse.
I have been down that road. Lightning in the outdoor wood fired heater, the heat pump and all controls. That strike cost us 2 VCR's, all the digital phones, every single relay in the heat pump and wood system, the control transformers and all sensors. The fuses on the disconnect to the heat pump outside unit blew. The heat pump tech said when he saw that the outdoor unit will be fried. Since it was 20 years old then, and a then high efficency 4 instead of the current 8 or better, I was not too displeased. I knew the deductable had been met, and figured new outside unit. No such case, the fuses worked. Still have that little unit. The Rock has actually run it a bit this summer, during the day. It now after 25+ years has about 400-600 hours total on it. The unit is Rudd, and the smallest one then made, a 0.9 ton I think. It will cool my entire 3000" house, since the house is super insulated.

The wood unit was operating later that same day, since I had most of the spares except for the relays, of which I had only 2. The tech had a truck load:)

Well I had a bit of minor surgery; lets just say I have a specialist who can testify that I'm not a perfect @$$.

I have come to the conclusion that I am all for modern pain control, I have never realized how interesting the ceiling was before!

When we had lightening hit our last house it added insult to injury by following an old stubbed off vent pipe down and then jumping to a coild water supply line and blowing a hole in it; so when our kids called (we were at the police impound lot finding out that our stolen vehicle was totalled---not a great day) they told us that it was "reaining" in the basement on all my tools...much harder to replace than modern consumer electronics!

Thomas

Rich Waugh

Cooling the edges of the bar a bit to defeat the 3-1 rule is a great idea.

NICE

52 degrees this morning! AHHHHHHH
(-:
JIM

62F this morning at 5:15, AHHHHHHHHHHHH also.

82°F this morning at 066 and 89°F at 1430. Ahhhhhhhhh, lovely! And I was just given a very nice hammock, too. Might be time for some field testing...

Dave Hammer, Congratulations on getting some hot metal under the 3B! The hammer looks great and so does your video.

3 to 1 Rule, Bob, If you have to violate the proportions of the rule (and you will) it may help to think of the effect a blow has when upsetting the end of a bar. As you already know if you smack the unprepared square end of a bar with a hammer you will get a short steeply spreading swelling very close to the end. Repeated blows in the same area can even turn out a bur that will eventually break off when the original bar can't support it. (think a badly dressed chisel end). If you however dress the end of you original bar into a short square taper and then smack it repeatedly the force of the blows will be carried further down the bar and create a longer more gradual swelling and will eventually upset your taper back past the width of the original bar. You can repeat the process of taper and upset to any practical size. You can do the same thing with a long rectangular section that is too tall to support itself if unprepared. Though it seems counterintuitive chamfer the edges of your bar somewhat (not to a thin edge) before you try to reduce its height. When you do hammer down onto it now it will behave just like that upset but in a continuous line carrying the force of your blows further into the center of your bar and avoiding the two fat edges that lead to shuts and cracks. If you are still past 3 to 1 after the edges return to their original thickness just thin again for the next pass. Eventually you will reach your desired dimensions or get past the problem proportions. (that sure took longer to type than to explain in person, I hope it's not confusing.)

One of the things I did today was a repeat of some tapered stainless tubing parts for a brewery. These are the handle sockets for a special rake and are made of .120 wall by 1 1/2" 304 tubing forged into a cone 5" long with one end 3/4" and the other 1 /3/4". I used a mandrel and a tapered V block under my Bludgeo-Matic to do the job. It was kind of fun working the tapers. I'll put a photo of the tooling and parts in the gallery. Steve G

Nice stuff in the gallery all.

Steve G.
Tanks for sharing that.
Bulldog Tools dose it a bit different..... they use mandrels.(-:
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Bad Roger

Hey Roger, it's nice to be missed. Nathn has left the roof and has started another project near Rapids--tearing out a fireplace and replacing it with a gas one. The last day he has been busy playing "Unce Na-Na" to his niece and nephew from Jersey and of course the one from Bemidji. They all leave tomorrow so Monday it is back to the fireplace project!

3 to 1

3 to 1

Bob, you see this problem a lot when your tapering, fullering, or just reducing the width, when exceeding the 3 to 1 ratio. example tapering or necking 1/4 x 1 stock. Making forks, spoons etc. Maintain the thickness as you go.------example, If your fullering a radius, don't fuller to complete depth, in one step. Flatten the sides as you go.

(is a fish mouth a narrow cold shut?) I don't think it would be a cold shut unless it actually folded upon itself. I myself wouldn't call it a cold shut.-------
Some people call the sunken end of the ends of big billets at mills, fish eyes. This is caused from the out side cooling quicker than the center.